harrytom 642 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Would you support this action?? and I do but its not just scallops that should be saved.There no is inshore beds of shellfish,pipi/cockle etc should be total ban Nationally as this just puts more pressure on other areas. Will Minister Parker bow down and support?? The MPI latest questionaire regarding stock is a call to ban recc dredges but not commercial.I say make commercial use air like their counter parts in Australia with their Ablone. Ngāti Manuhiri placed a rāhui on all scallop harvesting across their rohe moana due to a decline in scallop populations. The closure area spans from Mangawhai Heads down to Takapuna, encompassing Great Barrier and Little Barrier Islands, and applies to commercial, recreational and customary fishing. A dawn ceremony to lay a rāhui tapū was held yesterday at Tāwharanui regional park, with our LegaSea crew attending the ceremony. The rāhui is supported by local communities and organisations, and the Ngāti Manuhiri Settlement Trust have submitted an application to the Minister Parker for a two-year closure on all scallop harvesting. We ask all fishers to please support the rāhui, to help restore Hauraki Gulf scallop populations. Fulsome support for the closure has already been announced by NZ Diving, Wettie NZ, local clubs including the Warkworth Gamefish Club, Mangawhai Boating & Fishing Club and Omaha Beach Community Inc, the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron and New Zealand Underwater Association. Recent applications from Ngāti Hei, Ngāti Tamatera and Ngāti Paoa to close scallop fisheries in their areas have been approved by Minister Parker, and with Ngāti Manuhiri also joining the action, it is clear scallop populations need time to rebuild and the fishery needs to shut. Fisheries New Zealand is currently consulting on proposals to close the entire Hauraki Gulf to Bay of Plenty scallop fishery from April this year. The New Zealand Sport Fishing Council, New Zealand Angling & Casting Association and the New Zealand Underwater Association have submitted in support of the Minister closing both the Northland and Hauraki Gulf – Bay of Plenty (Coromandel) scallop fisheries on the northeast coast to all harvesting for a minimum of three years. We are Ngāti Manuhiri New Zealand Sport Fishing Council Inc New Zealand Underwater Association (NZUA) New Zealand Diving Wettie Spearfishing & Wetsuits Mangawhai Fishing Club Omaha Beach Community Incorporated Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron (RNZYS) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 950 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, harrytom said: Would you support this action?? Yes, with the provision that there is significant effort put into understanding why stocks are depleting, and that any quota used after the rahui/ban is lifted is monitored and adjusted seasonally with the commercial users paying all costs of monitoring. Quota was once thought of as an environmentally sound management system that would allow increases and decreases in catch depending on the current state of the fishery. Now it appears more like a licence to plunder until the fishery is so decimated its not economical to fish. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 quota is an on going issue for all stock,but I believe the top of the South island has been closed for over 5yrs and no sign of improvment. We should be looking further afield,Whats running from the land to the sea from subdivision works??silt smothers the stock and move off,heavy metals,coromandel way with all the loging works washing in to the sea,storm water. They have seeded mussels in to Okahu bay to filter the water but my way of thinking the will unedible due toxins they filter. Top of the south interesting read from a ex comms. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123730152/scallop-recovery-in-top-of-the-south-still-clouded-by-uncertainty Not sure if a fishing licence like fresh water fishing will help,somehow many believe its their birthright to extract seafood,yet to see this in the statuary books. Sure everything is in commercial favour,so we are told but I am convinced if advocacy groups worked in with the fisherman, not the companies we might get a better outcome. No skipper sets to sea to dump stock but the system forces it and owners,example is. owner I want 5 tonne snapper,hell price dropped I dont need it now.What does the fisherman do land at a loss or discretly dumps it,I tore my net and reports it as such no problem then,but big fine if caught llleagally dumping it. Its a balancing act. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 398 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 When the rec size limit for snapper is the same as the commercial size limit people will give the regulations some respect 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, waikiore said: When the rec size limit for snapper is the same as the commercial size limit people will give the regulations some respect Commercial east coast us 27cm and west coast 25cm Reccs east coast 30 cm west 27cm Gurnard comms no size limit. Reccs 25cm Fair?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 All meaningless when they're all gone. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bazzathemammoth 37 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I support a total ban on scallops until their numbers are back up. Something has to be done. I like the idea of research into why they have decreased so much. I would love it if this research investigated the efficacy of a total ban on dredging too. I've said for a long time that we need scallops to be freedive only, like paua. Then the deep scallops seed the shallower ones and the beds can't get decimated like they do now. I know this is unlikely to happen unfortunately. If anyone (commercial or customary) can take a particular seafood, then every nz resident had a right to take home a feed of it as far as I'm concerned. Size limits need to be the same for all. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 hours ago, bazzathemammoth said: I support a total ban on scallops until their numbers are back up. Something has to be done. I like the idea of research into why they have decreased so much. I would love it if this research investigated the efficacy of a total ban on dredging too. I've said for a long time that we need scallops to be freedive only, like paua. Then the deep scallops seed the shallower ones and the beds can't get decimated like they do now. I know this is unlikely to happen unfortunately. If anyone (commercial or customary) can take a particular seafood, then every nz resident had a right to take home a feed of it as far as I'm concerned. Size limits need to be the same for all. Have a read about the top of the South Island,5yrs on and still not recovering,no one wants to look at the enviroment,why??too hard basket. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123730152/scallop-recovery-in-top-of-the-south-still-clouded-by-uncertainty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 What about theres Pr$cks https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300590326/fishing-crew-caught-with-45-times-the-daily-limit-of-snapper-in-auckland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 950 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, Guest said: . The gulf was a desert. If its a desert, how do five guys catch 350 snapper in a day? Not that I disagree with your basic position, but it seems we are in short supply of hard data and unbiased analysis while the anecdotal evidence swings wildly between tales of a scorched earth situation and tales of crazy-excessive catches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 626 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Isnt the govts first responsibility to manage the fishery, it is a traditional free food resource after all which makes it a little different to oil or mineral extraction rights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 197 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 In France you are not allowed to gather seafood with scuba, snorkel only. If we had that rule here there would be a lot more crays and scallops about. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 950 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, Guest said: Uh-oh... drift. no, valuable and considered input to discussion of a multi-factorial problem. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 360 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Just received this via email Hello fellow Hauraki Gulf Fans, This is just a brief heads-up about an upcoming meeting you may be interested in attending. On Tuesday 24th May, Simon Watts, National MP for North Shore, is hosting a public meeting about the Hauraki Gulf. At this meeting you will hear from the following speakers: Alex Rogers – the Executive Officer of the Hauraki Gulf Forum. Alex is the author of the report presented to the Hauraki Gulf Forum on 28 February, setting out a recommended advocacy position for updating and strengthening the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park Act 2000. This included the recommendation to establish a Treaty partnership model with equal membership between iwi representatives and representatives of central/local government. Dr Andrew Jeffs – Professor in Marine Science at the University of Auckland, whose research interests include aquaculture, restoring mussel populations, lobster biology, and the biological role of underwater sound. Moana Tamaariki-Pohe, MNZM – former Deputy Chairperson of the Hauraki Gulf Forum, now representing Te Puni Kōkiri – the Ministry for Māori Development. Dr Peter Longdill – Sanford’s sustainability manager. Sanford is one of the largest commercial fishers in the Hauraki Gulf. Sam Woolford – spokesperson of LegaSea, an organisation “dedicated to restoring the abundance, biodiversity and health of New Zealand's marine environment”. LegaSea supports the establishment of co-governance structures in the Hauraki Gulf. More details of the event, Revitalising the Hauraki Gulf, can be found here. WHEN Tuesday May 24, 2022 at 7:00pm - 8:30pm WHERE Wakatere Boating Club Narrow Neck Beach Devonport Auckland 0624 Google map and directions You can RVSP the organisers by clicking HERE. For more information contact Azita Nafissi azita.nafissi@parliament.govt.nz. Cheers, Lee Short Spokesperson Gulf Users Group Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 Yes and who was the National fisheries Minister that kept peeing in comms pockets and accepting bribes and who is the National party president and owner of "Sandfords"? Nathan Guy was the minsiter and Peter Goodfellow president,leopard change its spots?nah 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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