aardvarkash10 954 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Romany said: Anybody know where I can get parts/servicing? I've decided that I can probably build one using an existing stainless steel gimballed deck and a couple of these. https://www.ebay.com/itm/265223846993?hash=item3dc092bc51:g:DJsAAOSw93xdtaCM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, harrytom said: $6.0lt mitre10 I use these guys for Methylated spirits for the stove, as they supply un-dyed product which means the jets don't clog. Price is good for a 20 lt container , they do kero as well. https://www.tmkpackers.co.nz/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 954 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I'm going to adjust it to run diesel. I have 75 litres of that on board at any one time, the engine and heater run on it so, why go with something else? I'm thinking I can use a diesel glowplug to pre-heat the fuel so I don't have that complicated and delayed cold start issue. A little winter project. I don't like LPG or petrol on a boat at all - it scares me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Frank said: I use these guys for Methylated spirits for the stove, as they supply un-dyed product which means the jets don't clog. Price is good for a 20 lt container , they do kero as well. https://www.tmkpackers.co.nz/ An old alcoholic reckoned its the dye that makes you go blind,so before drinking it,pour through an old stale loaf of bread😀 That a direct quote from the old hermit,"Snow Harris" many yrs ago when Mansion house bay had the pub. Knew my grandfather well but never elaborated on what they got up too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 It is good and healthy to be scared, as the sea takes no prisoners, The number of people who are blown up by gas on boats is probably equivalent to the number of swimmers who are taken by sharks, or probably a lot less. Percentage wise a fraction of a fraction of a fraction 1/4 of a percent maybe. Because most sailors accept there can be danger, they minimize it by being extremely careful both in operation and shutting the gas down when not required. Careless sailors are usually eliminated early on, whether using gas, Kerosene, Meths or any other inflammable heat source. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, harrytom said: An old alcoholic reckoned its the dye that makes you go blind,so before drinking it,pour through an old stale loaf of bread😀 That a direct quote from the old hermit,"Snow Harris" many yrs ago when Mansion house bay had the pub. Knew my grandfather well but never elaborated on what they got up too. The dye was put in it for that very purpose, the fear of going blind, of course any quality alcoholic knew the solution, (Not a pun) very much as as Harrytom says. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Steve Pope said: The dye was put in it for that very purpose, the fear of going blind, of course any quality alcoholic knew the solution, (Not a pun) very much as as Harrytom says. From the interweb Is methylated spirit the same as alcohol? Commonly used methylated spirits is a general-purpose alcohol which is not fit for drinking. This is because approximately 10% methanol has been added to it, along with additives such as pyridine, isopropyl alcohol, acetone, methyl ethyl ketone, and methyl isobutyl ketone.21/02/2022 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 16 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: I've decided that I can probably build one using an existing stainless steel gimballed deck and a couple of these. https://www.ebay.com/itm/265223846993?hash=item3dc092bc51:g:DJsAAOSw93xdtaCM https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/old-primus-parts.25594/ Good for tech support. https://www.caravancamping.co.nz/shop/specialist-stoves/ All the bits you need and they are in CHC , the burner assemblies are the best but dear ! There are a bunch of other sites if you trawl the web , parts are still made at a cottage industry level in various parts of the world such as India South korea, the US and UK ,europe etc. To the best that I can figure the burner assy is the same for Meths or Kero, it is only the jetting that varies, I have a bunch of spares and the meths orifice is a few thou smaller . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 18 hours ago, Steve Pope said: It is good and healthy to be scared, as the sea takes no prisoners, The number of people who are blown up by gas on boats is probably equivalent to the number of swimmers who are taken by sharks, or probably a lot less. Percentage wise a fraction of a fraction of a fraction 1/4 of a percent maybe. Because most sailors accept there can be danger, they minimize it by being extremely careful both in operation and shutting the gas down when not required. Careless sailors are usually eliminated early on, whether using gas, Kerosene, Meths or any other inflammable heat source. Let's not let facts and history get in the way though Steve. Millions of gas lpg installations around the world on boats with a tiny percentage of failures. 40 years of using it myself , my observation is that is usually something totally ridiculous and without normal safeguards that causes the problems. The guy with a 9 kg lpg heater running inside his boat. The kids turning on the gas for a cuppa on the hardstand at Henderson not realising Dad had disconnected the oven. The famous Victory incident where the skipper was in the habit of rubbing soap into the copper gas line to 'stop the leaks'. Get a BEP gas monitor and integrated solenoid shut off switch, cheap security and highly arguable that it is safer than sloshing an igniteable fluid around inside a boat to run a cooker, particularly at sea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 626 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 And dont forget that Marauder at Pine Harbour that went kaboom, the apprentice drilled a hole through the gas line! My previous boat had the gas bottle hanging or a bungee in the seat locker, connected to the oven with a mixture of garden hose and flaky pink copper line, apparently had been like that for 20 years! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
khayyam 68 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 10 years ago we bought a boat with such a dodgy gas arrangement that the very first thing we did was take the bottle off the boat. Proper modern installations don't bother me though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darkside 61 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Building a boat with an lpg oven at present. The builders say never again. Too hard to get someone to sign off gas now so electric only in the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 How can you possibly have enough electricity to cook on a sailboat? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 430 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Black Panther said: How can you possibly have enough electricity to cook on a sailboat? I have been surprised by how much you might actually need. On my lithium journey, I purchased a little 10A kwh counter that plugs into the wall socket and so you can plug appliances into that to get the power usage. I also picked up a $69 induction cook top from kmart. My wife and I cooked our meals on that for a week including boiling the jug for hot drinks. After a week we'd used only 1.6kWh. So at 12v that's 135Ah +/- ignoring inverter losses which won't be 0. We didn't extend it to boiling water for the dishes or running a little oven... so not an exhaustive test, but comparable to what we currently have on the boat, as we have no oven... We're going to do another test with the small oven as well and see where we end up as having an oven on board would be a luxury. I am currently half way between the decision of do I install a gas locker, bottles and a gas oven, or the electric equivalent... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 We have 3 burners and an oven and use them all , a lot. 20 Ah per day is about a 30% jump in usage for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,226 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 Lots of new boats are electric only. Vessels that draw 20-50a all the time are not uncommon any more. Gensets and huge solar arrays are how it’s done mostly. 1 or 2 thousand watts of solar is becoming common on some of the large offshore cruisers. All the comforts of home…. At a cost! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 18/03/2022 at 6:39 PM, aardvarkash10 said: I'm going to adjust it to run diesel. I have 75 litres of that on board at any one time, the engine and heater run on it so, why go with something else? I'm thinking I can use a diesel glowplug to pre-heat the fuel so I don't have that complicated and delayed cold start issue. A little winter project. I don't like LPG or petrol on a boat at all - it scares me. Diesel and kero seem to boil the kettle more quickly, I assume they have a higher calorific value ? My wife says the odour is disgusting if you are seasick which is why I have stuck to alcohol, gotta keep GM Domestic Operations happy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 hours ago, CarpeDiem said: I have been surprised by how much you might actually need. On my lithium journey, I purchased a little 10A kwh counter that plugs into the wall socket and so you can plug appliances into that to get the power usage. I also picked up a $69 induction cook top from kmart. My wife and I cooked our meals on that for a week including boiling the jug for hot drinks. After a week we'd used only 1.6kWh. So at 12v that's 135Ah +/- ignoring inverter losses which won't be 0. We didn't extend it to boiling water for the dishes or running a little oven... so not an exhaustive test, but comparable to what we currently have on the boat, as we have no oven... We're going to do another test with the small oven as well and see where we end up as having an oven on board would be a luxury. I am currently half way between the decision of do I install a gas locker, bottles and a gas oven, or the electric equivalent... We are on the lithium journey on a land yacht, our plug n play $90 Harvey Norman induction top draws 2000W at full noise. We are using a 3KW inverter and 320 AH LIFEPO. On lower cook settings which we will generally be using it draws a lot less. In Tests at home it boiled a litre of water in a pot in 1 min 45 seconds. we will also have an 800w Jug and 800w small microwave. Cant be bothered with an oven on the yacht or the van, I'm a lazy cook and I want to leave all that sort of thing behind when on holiday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
khayyam 68 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Our sparky told me not long ago that new (home) induction cooktops can draw 40a (@230V). Pretty hard to manage on a boat! Newer boats do seem to have electric cooking arrangements, to my surprise. But even with 1-2kw of solar I think really you'd be relying a lot on the genset to get those batteries charged. Really you're starting to look at boat systems which rival off-grid home systems, and you'd really struggle with 2kw solar for the sort of mod cons these boats are expecting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Where can you put that many solar panels without looking like a junkyard? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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