Sir Michael et al depart Squadron

[harrytom 543]

would this debacle ever of happened if Blake was still around??

Know very that are interrsted in the cup since foiling came along and even less now its going offshore.

Did watch the GPs in Denmark? far more interesting racing as its fleet racing.

[harrytom 543]

Watched on "Netfilx" The Australia 1983 campagin.Was it really the keel or did they manage to just get under Dens skin??

[Black Panther 1,307]

I think the sails were a lot better. 

[Jon 312]

Good doco, watched it a few weeks back, as BP said mostly better sails, if the keel was that good everyone would have gone that way no.

what the keel did was get it’s centre of gravity a lot lower, as in the bulbs we see now on racing yachts. The old 12 metre yachts had a very high CoG

[Priscilla II 320]

14 hours ago, harrytom said:

Watched on "Netfilx" The Australia 1983 campagin.Was it really the keel or did they manage to just get under Dens skin??

From SA post:

‘’The whole Australia II (A-II) package was incredible, from Benbobs innovation, Bertrands determination, Schnackenberg’s sails, Bondy’s money & foresight, plus a dedicated, talented and thoroughly professional crew.

BUT, for my mind the reason A-II got up on the downwind leg allowing them win the race was an absolutely brilliant tactical call by the tactician Hugh Treharne. Hughie spotted the shift that DC didn’t, took the punt & gybed into it and then A-II were in front at the bottom mark. The rest is history. No amount of a “great package” could make up the large deficit at the top mark by boat speed alone. It was tactical…

Side note about Hughie : A-II had a slight speed deficit downwind because their spinnakers were sub-par compared to Liberty’s. Hugh Treharne, a sail maker himself, eventually took over the spinnaker maintenance and spent many a night re-cutting all A-II kites, somehow making them more stable and draw better like Liberty’s were. A-II was notably faster down wind with his re-cut kites.’’

[Psyche 420]

you have to go the right way 

[ex Elly 137]

Listen to the Tom Whidden podcast to get the other side of the story:

https://shirleyrobertson.com/podcast/

He reckons that Australia had a faster boat, and should have won easily but were outsailed by USA, who won more starts and had better tactics.
USA took a punt on a new designer, but when the boat was built it didn't measure, so they had to go back to NYYC to ask for more money. When the third boat was built it was no faster than their boat from the previous cup.

 

[harrytom 543]

Had A 2 not suffered steering and mainsail pin drop out might of been over quicker,Liked the NYC panick.Trying to pressure the Dutch in to say they invented the keel.

I read with interest how Daltonb wants crawl and hold a series here before the Spanish event "Go F yourself"Dalton.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/exclusive-grant-dalton-wants-lead-in-americas-cup-event-in-auckland-seeks-council-meeting/WFATJGWBIHZTWPK6RYF2I7AVWA/

 

 

[Leftred 26]

The Spanish team defending the America's Cup should be able to afford a pretty nice event in Auckland with all that extra sponsorship money they've opened up by moving to Europe right? Right? They're not going to expect a small city like Auckland no longer directly involved to pay, right? Right?

[ex Elly 137]

18 hours ago, harrytom said:

Trying to pressure the Dutch in to say they invented the keel.

Yes, that sounded very underhanded. 

The way Tom Whidden tells it, the rule stated the keel had to be designed in competitors country, but Lexcen said he designed it in Holland. So maybe USA were right on that?

 

[harrytom 543]

4 hours ago, ex Elly said:

Yes, that sounded very underhanded. 

The way Tom Whidden tells it, the rule stated the keel had to be designed in competitors country, but Lexcen said he designed it in Holland. So maybe USA were right on that?

 

Could be true

https://www.smh.com.au/national/winged-keel-not-lexcens-design-dutch-architect-claims-20091013-gvnr.html

[waikiore 279]

I have done a (not exhaustive) study during the last 20 months and feel I have a reasonable understanding of the new language "Daltonese" 

When he says I want to talk to someone sensible at the council about an event here, translation is : The ratepayers can pay and Matteo and I can bank, and the Squadron will back me up on this.  

[Leftred 26]

I have a lot of respect for what Dalts has achieved in his own racing and with ETNZ. However, language like that "talk to someone sensible" reminds me of a bully who is used to getting their own way. As you said, the ratepayers will likely foot the bill, and if indeed the city holds the risk then I'd support anyone who tells him to get stuffed.