Why is this so cheap?

[Farrari 4]

http://marinedirectory.ybw.com/boat/new/boat_details1.jsp?id=48083

 

 

[Bimini Babe 0]

Seems about the going rate for this boat. See yachtworld.com for others.

 

Do you mean cheap for its size?

[Farrari 4]

Sorry, yeah a 44ft vessel for just over $100K NZD + shipping + taxes.

 

Are second hand yachts expensive to bring back to NZ?

[Murky 3]

Overtaking insurance as one of the most popular topics on this site:

 

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[Guest]

98,000 NZ (55,000 Euros)

35,000 Shipping

15,000 GST

6,000 Duty

 

Landed maybe around $154K, allow 10K for airfares to suss, another 10 for incidentals.

 

Sailing down the ditch 175k lighter. Knot massively far off what the odd one locally has swapped hands for lately, he says referring to his mates 45ft very similar vessel in real good nik which went in 10 days from advertising for $185K, he got $189 for it. 2 punters both wanted it

 

Shipping number was a semi-educated guess. GST and Duty will apply. Duty is coming down and now maybe 5%, I used 6%, was 7.5 knot long ago.

 

5 cabins in a 44fter. A bit too cozy??

[floatsome 0]

KM, re-calc as follows;

98k purchase

Shipping accept 35 K dont forget if break bulk ship or container ship cradle required strapping, chains etc etc

Insurance could be 2-3k mad not to

Duty 5% on purchase =5k

GST@ 15% on cost + ins prem + freight + duty=

98+3+35+5 = 141 @ 15% = 21

 

therefore total = 98+35+3+5+21=162 + 20 incidentals you mention and we make the 180 for ya mates boat!

 

There are of course other means such as sailing down on its own bum and sailing up to the islands every year until the boats worth bugger all and pay your dues then.

 

All comes back to purcahse price going through the formula and comparing to the the same locally priced boat and add in the stress(?) of the exercise and there you have it.

[Guest]

Those thieving bunch of A'Hole GST tax the Duty??? Wankers. We don't do duty, the only product we did we got a concession for so no none applies.

 

Wasn't too sure what they loaded the GST onto as was to lazy to look at filing cabinets full of Customs like paperwork 10ft from me at the time

 

Interesting to see what looks cheap often doesn't work out quite that way once you add the rest in. The best plan would be to go over and sail her back, which happens to be ours if something pops up. Sussed one in the Med close and planned on sailing her home over 6 months but the NZ schools packed a major hissy fit when i asked if the D's could try to keep up via the interweb. Apparently the NZ school system would teach them more useful stuff in 6 months than sailing 1/2 around the world would, the deluded dicks. That wouldn't have stopped us but the glitch when the seller was talking NZ$ and a month later said Opps, I meant Euros, did. I suspect he had a better offer made. The rate change put the boat just out of comfortable reach without going begging to the bank, which we didn't want to do.

 

There sure are deals out there but for the best ones I think sailing one home is the way to go.

[Guest]

Lotsa kiwi kids living on boats doing their regular schoolwork, no problem.

[Murky 3]

Think it's also worth considering - when looking in NZ or offshore - that buying a boat that has not been used for some time, has become a problem for someone, is the subject of resentment etc, brings a set of issues that seem pretty much inevitable i.e. anything that is likely to have crapped out for lack of regular use/maintenance/love, will have.

 

I have bargain-shopped for boats in the past and probably will do so again! However it is demoralising and expensive to work through the boat and have items fail as soon as they are brought back into service. Parts are not always still available; sometimes the new equivalent is a different size or specs, it quickly becomes more of a hassle than you were prepared for.

 

Well-loved boats are obviously harder to prise out of the hands of their current owners but it is an option that I would like to experience one day.

 

In the meantime it is positive that the likes of Farrari are looking down this track - the sooner they get into a bigger boat at a price they are happy with, the sooner their current boats come on to the market and everyone can step up a level.

[Farrari 4]

In the meantime it is positive that the likes of Farrari are looking down this track - the sooner they get into a bigger boat at a price they are happy with, the sooner their current boats come on to the market and everyone can step up a level.

 

Not much chance of that any time soon. I've been giving Farrari too much lov'n to trade her in any time soon. It's not just the neglected boats that have their issues Ones that are loved to death by their previous owners but never taken out for use also suffer the same consequences. But touch wood I am just about there. Just need my new set of sails now ... dam I can't find the chequebook (wife must have hidden it from me again ) oh that's right, it's got no money left in it.

 

I did have a quick look at some of these overseas yachts and my first thought was if only I was living there and earning local money. They appear to be sooo cheap at the moment.

[Fogg 427]

I did have a quick look at some of these overseas yachts and my first thought was if only I was living there and earning local money. They appear to be sooo cheap at the moment.

 

Exactly right. When I was living in the UK and earning GBP I had way more buying power for local boats. The equivalent of the national average wage buys you a decent family cruiser whereas that is nowhere near the case in NZ. Same story with affordability of cars, esp the European imports.

[cam 3]

Lotsa kiwi kids living on boats doing their regular schoolwork, no problem.

 

agreed squid. I worked at The Correspondence School for several years, and can confirm there are alot of awesome and dedicated teachers there (I wasn't on the teaching staff myself) that do a great job to keep kids working through the NZ curriculum at all levels (early childhood, primary, secondary and special needs). Quite a few of the kids are enrolled as they are cruising their way around various oceans of the world.

 

I continually remind my wife of this fact as part of the 'pre-sales' for my future not-so-subtle plan for her and the kids.

[Guest]

Lotsa kiwi kids living on boats doing their regular schoolwork, no problem.

 

How does this work...? Are they considered home-schooled, taught by the parents?

[cam 3]

Hi Grifter,

 

If they are enrolled at The Correspondence School (as they are entitled to be and required to be enrolled somewhere legally if of school age), then they are assigned a teacher (or teachers for secondary) who asseses childs needs, prepares work, does the marking etc.... however the parent is the chlds 'supervisor' and helps where they can and delegates to the teacher as required (by email, video conference, post).

 

"Home school'ed" generally refers to parents who have removed kids from school for philosophical reasons or they are unhappy with all local schools, and choose to home school at home resident in NZ.

 

Kids on yachts are considered "NZ residents overseas" (by Min. of Ed. anyway), and learning packs are sent on ahead to meet the boat as required. Work is sent back electronically or by post as completed.

[Guest]

The Coro School was very positive but the local Grammar left me thinking I was a child abuser. But that wouldn't stop us if we went. I just wanted them to 'be in sync' with the classes they were in and would be coming back too. I couldn't home school as most know it, the kids are smarter than me already.

 

We seriously looked at getting a 'handymans dream' type vessel both here and overseas. Here wasn't too bad but a few we looked at would have cost more to get up to speed than buying something similar that was already OK. Keeping in mind here we wanted a shortish time frame, had that knot been in the mix it does open stack up better. When sussing overseas, apart from the time frame angle there was the whole knot having any local knowledge type thing and in one case a language issue. Having worked in many overseas countries us Kiwis can struggle with the places that have little DIY type culture. Try to buy a bit of 4x2 and they try to sell you an entire pre-cut house.

 

I suppose it comes down to time frame as to what you target. I like things working right pretty quick and before you start.... paint doesn't 'work' it just sits there going bad, it's entire life so it doesn't really deserve respect anyway.

[Guest]

It's been rebranded at great expense to us as Te Kura, or "Te Kurapondence" if you work there.

Be quick if you want to make use of it. The management restructure it every couple of years and there won't be much left soon.

[Guest]

We just tell people we home schooled to shut them up. In reality we did little or nothing, just went cruising. If we stopped somewhere long enough they went into the local school for a few months.

[cam 3]

It's been rebranded at great expense to us as Te Kura, or "Te Kurapondence" if you work there.

Be quick if you want to make use of it. The management restructure it every couple of years and there won't be much left soon.

yes that is their new pc name after the latest of many re-orgs. and agreed they do seem to be in a continual process of restructuring.

[smithy09 50]

We just tell people we home schooled to shut them up. In reality we did little or nothing, just went cruising. If we stopped somewhere long enough they went into the local school for a few months.

And from what I hear Squid, they really suffered academically.... NOT!!!!!

[Guest]

True - I'm biased of course but I think they have done pretty well for themselves. I do seem to remember someone telling us we were being irresponsible and would destroy their lives, can't remember who it was now and don't care.

In fact there was a competition running for the now defunct Jimmy Buffett concert, along the lines of tell us why you would like to meet JB, best answer gets to go backstage and meet him, my older daughter entered this:

 

It's called "Daughter of a Son of a Sailor"

 

I would like to preface this piece with a disclaimer: my family is an unconventional one, of the pack-up-your-family-and-move-onto-an-Ericson-35 variety.

 

As such, I was raised not on nursery rhymes, but on Jimmy Buffett's lilting ballads, swaying lazily in time to Baja's rolling swells.

 

It was 1996 when my father discovered Jimmy, so I would have been all of six years old (an aspiring pirate looks at ten). In our family, we took alternating turns choosing music. Being a burgeoning Beatlemaniac, I consistently chose their rollicking melodies; Mum preferred Placido Domingo's soothing tenor (attracting dolphins for miles around), and Dad listened to Jimmy. Indeed, Dad listened to Jimmy until his music became a form of slow torture for me. I soon grew to loathe those ballads, that bloody steel drum, the acoustic guitar. Hot Water, Changes in Lattitudes, Son of a Son, Floridays, every day, unending, relentless...It was more than a six-year-old could take.

 

Alas, my father's proclaimed Little Miss Magic is now twenty-one years old, a recent university graduate. She works a nine-to-five, Monday-to-Friday in preparation for her own upcoming adventures. It's menial work, and she finds increasingly that her little mind meanders back to Mexico, to cheeseburgers in paradise, to boats, beaches, bars, and ballads.

 

And Dad does the same, as he sells houses in Auckland. Together, we dream of bygone days. Now, when I hear the aforementioned bloody steel drum, I am the princess of somewhere hot, and Dad is king. In pursuit of such sweet reprieve, I appeal to you for the gift of the chance to see Jimmy live, for my father, a dreamer of dreams and a travelling man.

 

It is better, he might argue, to reside in a Margaritavillian reverie than in reality's tumultuous whirlpool. I don't know whether this is the case, but hey, I'm dizzy, so it may be so.

 

 

 

It makes more sense if you know the references.