Registration Offshore such as the Cook Islands

[Jon 395]

On 2/08/2023 at 2:10 PM, marinheiro said:

the cat that sank was an Australian boat rescued in the middle of the night by a NZ boat that was part of the ICNZ rally in what were described as "in a very brave and tricky situation". No doubt the NZ boats ASS and First aid training would have been of assistance

and your point continues to be the rules should be specially changed just to suit you.

I asked Jon a reasonable question and await with interest to see his response.

Yes M they are generally budget and inexperienced sailors, but not all, some are very experienced sailors that have been there done that and have very expensive boats and will be doing it for tax reasons. So the regulations are missing the ones that need it most in my personal opinion ( this is what I’ll take back to YNZ ) not sure what the answer is here, met some great guys on my 4th ASS course earlier this year that planned to head off.

like you said we hauled a month out so we could depart with new Antifoul and that would be one less issue to worry about up here and on returning 

Currently in Vuda sorting a mechanical issue but hopefully back out in a day or two.

As for the toddler that fell from the Wharram I’d say it was a moment of inattention that the parents now have to live with for the rest of their lives, could have been anyone or boat.

A Maritimo 51 hit the reef a few days ago and chewed up a prop, that is NZ registered and Cat 1, but sh*t happens to anyone anytime.

[Black Panther 1,692]

Jon, appreciate what you're doing.

If it is to be discussed why not chuck  in the fact that there is zero evidence that the cat 1 requirements have any effect on the number of boats needing assistance. 

I did attempt a preliminary look at this some years ago. To get the data took two requests under OIA so it took some time. From memory i found uninspected boats about 30% less likely to need rescue/assistance.  Of course this was totally unscientific and in particular did not consider all the other factors tgat might influence the results.

However I think would make a worthy point for discussion. 

Another angle I have been pondering lately: after 50 years of reading about boats and crews that have been lost,  an overwhelming majority can be ascribed to human error and had nothing to do with how many electronic whizgadgets were aboard.

[Will Fransen 0]

Hi all, and thanks "en masse" for taking time to respond. To update my post, I own a 10 year old, 12mx 4.2mx1.4m draft 15 ton launch "Betty G" (BG). She has a 6LXB Gardner and was designed for offshore, albeit I've found the minimum measurement for a launch to go off shore is 12m excluding the bowsprit. BG is 12m including her bowsprit! Arrrghhh! I have tried numerous times to get an answer about whether an inspector has the latitude to permit BG to achieve CAT1 (let's ignore the people requirements for a minute). (Jon: I would be interested in your view about whether you would be able to waiver BG's length requirements to approve her for CAT 1 which I would prefer??)My plan was to invest in numerous improvements for offshore over the next few years, but I don't want to do this if I can't take her - I may as well get another boat, BUT I don't want to if that makes sense. I have enquired with Cook Islands Maritime, and CI registration is expensive - $5300.00 USD for 5 years, but at least I can take BG offshore, and now address other aspects of setup without fearing I'm wasting my money. I will likely look at the other suggestions regards the UK and Jersey too (Thanks for those). Hopefully I can figure how to include a pic of BG next! Thanks again Will

[Jon 395]

Send me an email with all the relevant details and I’ll ask the question, current we don’t have a head inspector as he’s decided to go off and do another lap, but I’ll get you an answer. Include some photos please

symaara@icloud.com

[Black Panther 1,692]

While you are at it, can you waive the need for a gz curve forBP if I wanted to race  offshore.  Probably not going to happen now but that was the final straw last time.

[Jon 395]

6 hours ago, Black Panther said:

While you are at it, can you waive the need for a gz curve forBP if I wanted to race  offshore.  Probably not going to happen now but that was the final straw last time.

History would account for a lot if cruising but the Organising Authority will probably require it, but I’ll ask

[Psyche 728]

Some friends departed NZ yesterday on their recent Polish registration, no problems clearing customs who said a number of "Polish" vessels have left recently. Cost was under 1K the only extras were the vinyl stickers for the home port and a flag.  

[Black Panther 1,692]

Poland is the new Rarotanga

[Jon 395]

It’s going to get worse

YNZ are giving it back to MNZ

I’m considering offshore registration now and Polish is 395 euros for lifetime rego and all done online in less than a week 

[CarpeDiem 510]

27 minutes ago, Jon said:

YNZ are giving it back to MNZ

I have heard this - but only as a rumor... And I heard the "delegation license" expired July 1st.

Is this actually confirmed?

[Jon 395]

will possibly know more as in why today 

but we’ve been told 30th June last day for Cat 1

[waikiore 445]

Oh dear, I have worked and sailed with many of our older Cat 1 inspectors -without exception I had the utmost respect for their opinions ,sadly almost all of them have done their last sail. MNZ and some of their flunkies (wellington based) will I fear not be of the same high mileage in small boats practical calibre.

[Black Panther 1,692]

Off to buy more popcorn. 

[Island Time 1,284]

Not conclusive yet. Still discussion going on between MNZ and YNZ, but not looking great.

[aardvarkash10 1,065]

MNZ will no doubt contract it out.  Cost will likely go up, and if WOF / COF system is any guide, the assessments will be variable.

 

[Guest 109]

The several thousand dollar question; Will they seek legislation to circumvent NZ residing boats from offshore rego?

[CarpeDiem 510]

13 minutes ago, Guest said:

The several thousand dollar question; Will they seek legislation to circumvent NZ residing boats from offshore rego?

They already have the legislation. 

So the question becomes, will they try and enforce it...? 

[Psyche 728]

What is the legislation that makes offshore registration illegal?

[K4309 353]

1 hour ago, aardvarkash10 said:

MNZ will no doubt contract it out.  Cost will likely go up, and if WOF / COF system is any guide, the assessments will be variable.

 

You never know, MNZ might take some guidance from the Ministry of Regulations and realise that the benefit of central govt mandated inspections overriding skipper responsibility and the fact that loopholes are so prevalent and easily obtained, that the whole compulsory cat 1 inspection is a waste of time. They might drop the whole thing and make it a voluntary requirement, governed primarily by insurance requirements.

But then, maybe not.

It may require whole bureaucracies to break out in viral attacks of logic.

[K4309 353]

There are some interesting parallels with YNZ handing cat 1 inspections back to MNZ, with the Motor Caravan Association handing back in the inspection and issuing of Self Containment Certificates back to MBIE. Basically a small special interest group with quasi-professional elements but largely volunteer based getting sick of administering central govt dictates and handing the responsibility back - or getting it snatched off them - by the bureaucrats to increase the size of their portfolio and budgets.

Not having a land yacht myself I'm not across the full details, but by all accounts it is an utter ball-ache. Others on here may have better knowledge.

Last I heard, they are requiring those self contained porta potties, the ones you put the blue portaloo liquid in, MBIE are requiring that they are permanently vented outside the vehicle. If its not permanently vented, you can't get your self contained certificate, even though you are fully self contained.

Not as much as an issue as NZTA making it impossible for many land yachts with after market conversion to get a COF, basically cause every inspector in the country is too scared to sign anything off, and no-one can get any direction from NZTA. Noting that NZTA have known about dodgy handbrakes on certain types of vehicles for over 15 years, and have only recently issued a directive, which is a sticker on the dash that says you must park on flat ground, or install wheel chocks every time you stop. 

Serious.