Guest 109 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 4 hours ago, K4309 said: From a bystander point of view, is the fee for a Cat 1 cert $2,200? and the cost of registering in Poland $395 euro? So it is cheaper outright to register offshore, and then you don't need to spend all the other boat dollars on items Cat 1 require but you don't want or need? Simplistic approach I know, but certainly makes the offshore registration the path of least resistance. Not Cat 1, MNZ yacht register. This is how I read it, but having lived with NZ bureaucracy I really wouldnt have a clue whether it is adhered to, or you can use your YNZ rego. Sorry about font size it was C&P, not my doing. "If a vessel is New Zealand-owned and is planning on going overseas, it must be registered. Ship registration provides nationality. A registered ship that travels overseas has the protection of the New Zealand government. The registration papers provide proof of identity" And YNZ doesn't? Initial registry/re-registry - existing ship not exceeding 24m $2,205 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 59 minutes ago, Guest said: And YNZ doesn't? No. YNZ is an optional NZ internal register only non-optional for yacht racing. Part B registration is ~$370 for 5 years. So it will cost you that plus MNZ inspection fees. Part A is for commercial craft. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 109 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Well thats refreshing! Seemed but a bit outrageous; I tend to glaze over reading govt documents that always seem to make simple things convoluted. I develop A.d.d. very quickly. Is the "Initial registration" all the charges or do they charge you for a copy of it as well? see circled? Would be handy to have a copy of it. Or is the table only designed for rich pricks that dont give fcuk. Or, poor punters, to make it look less and they are getting more for their money. An to be further obtuse, do they start you off on "initial" and if you pass you graduate to "provisional". 🤣 Or, the other way round?🙄 So, 368$, that's it? That web page is enough to make me want to swim to Poland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 36 minutes ago, Guest said: Well thats refreshing! Seemed but a bit outrageous; I tend to glaze over reading govt documents that always seem to make simple things convoluted. I develop A.d.d. very quickly. Is the "Initial registration" all the charges or do they charge you for a copy of it as well? see circled? Would be handy to have a copy of it. Or is the table only designed for rich pricks that dont give fcuk. Or, poor punters, to make it look less and they are getting more for their money. An to be further obtuse, do they start you off on "initial" and if you pass you graduate to "provisional". 🤣 Or, the other way round?🙄 So, 368$, that's it? That web page is enough to make me want to swim to Poland. No that’s if you lose it they send you a physical copy but also electronic move got multiple laminated copies on board Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 359 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 5 hours ago, CarpeDiem said: Part A is for commercial craft. Part A registration is also available for recreational vessels if you choose to pay the fees, my yacht is Part A, legacy from previous owners and lasts the lifetime of the vessel. Closest document you can get to a title for a boat 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 9 hours ago, marinheiro said: Part A registration is also available for recreational vessels if you choose to pay the fees, my yacht is Part A, legacy from previous owners and lasts the lifetime of the vessel. Closest document you can get to a title for a boat Oh wow. I did not know that. Lifetime of the vessel? That could make it extremely cost effective... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 359 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 39 minutes ago, CarpeDiem said: Oh wow. I did not know that. Lifetime of the vessel? That could make it extremely cost effective... There is a rather extensive set of requirements to obtain Part A including a survey, see https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/commercial/ships/ship-registration/part-a-ship-registration/ Also the fees can be somewhat eye watering, I was charged `~$450 when I notified them of change of engine, I see "alterations" are now $613. Obviously you would have to consider how long you intended to own the boat to see if worthwhile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,672 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Or more specifically how many times you intend to depart NZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,672 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Olympic sailing doesn't feature on crew very often but a friend tells me there is some upheaval happening there as well. We are about to send the weakest team in decades, unlikely to get one medal and there goes all the funding. Meanwhile the sport has shriveled at the grassroots level and not looking likely to recover anytime soon. Good time not to be an official at YNZ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oghood 5 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Hi, So I thought Id give the latest update of my comms with MNZ regarding what they are calling Recreational International Voyage. (previously Cat 1) They have actually been very good on the info and fast on comms and have told me they can inspect the boat (and check the crews capabilities via certificates or self declaration) on the day and place I will have the boat out in early July. It seems to me like they are genuinely trying to make it work for me which was I wasn't fully expecting and I appreciate. The total cost for travel / inspection and certificate will be $490 and they have clearly explained the requirements which are the same basically as I was expecting for Cat 1. Just thought Id let you know what I have found out being right on the changeover of the 2 systems and ready to take my NZ registered vessel to Fiji. Surprisingly willing and helpful they seem bear in mind I have not actually had the inspection with them as of yet. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 350 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 2 hours ago, Black Panther said: Olympic sailing doesn't feature on crew very often but a friend tells me there is some upheaval happening there as well. We are about to send the weakest team in decades, unlikely to get one medal and there goes all the funding. Meanwhile the sport has shriveled at the grassroots level and not looking likely to recover anytime soon. Good time not to be an official at YNZ. I'm not across our current medal prospects, but three points to note: 1) A selector had a son via-ing for selection in a hotless contested class. YNZ didn't see a problem with that. It was only resolved when the son broke his leg 2 days before the nominations were going to be confirmed, putting the other crew into nomination. 2) for the first time ever in NZ, the arbitration panel forced YNZ to include athletes they excluded. 2 of them. 3) our best and most experienced crew didn't meet YNZ's own selection criteria. It certainly has the look and smell of a shambles. Edit, PS, it appears the sport is booming at grass roots level, just not in classes supported by YNZ. Wing-foiling is going nuts. Wind-foiling is an Olympic glass and is growing well. Kite foiling is really big recreationally in NZ, but YNZ went out of their way to shaft our two wingfoil nominations, being the two that the arbitration panel forced YNZ to nominate. The irony being YNZ are trying to shaft the fastest growing sector. Considering a fully spec'd 49'er costs about as much as Black Panther, I'm not surprised there are grass roots issues. The gear is very, very expensive. Let alone the cost of campaigning it. Paradoxically, the foiling gear is cheaper than the traditional gear, and loads more exciting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 New process outlined below for taking your NZ registered boat offshore https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/boating-basics/taking-your-boat-overseas/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grant 44 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 same link as above, but at present the website doesn't seem to be working..... Good afternoon Further to our email last week, we are writing to let you know that updated information about changes to the administrative arrangements for assessing the adequacy of recreational boats departing for overseas (coming into effect 1 July 2024) is now available on Maritime NZ’s website at: https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/boating-basics/taking-your-boat-overseas/ The updated information includes an overview of the updated process from 1 July 2024, as well as: Guidance for your International Voyage Certificate (Pleasure Craft) application: This guidance has been prepared by Maritime NZ, and provides information about the application process and adequacy requirements to be met. We will be updating this document as needed. We recommend applicants read this guidance before beginning the application process. Application form for an International Voyage Certificate (Pleasure Craft): This is the form that will need to be downloaded for your application. It can be completed electronically or in writing and then emailed with other required information set out in the form to Maritime NZ at RecreationalInternationalVoyage@maritimenz.govt.nz. Questions and enquiries can continue to be directed to Maritime NZ at the dedicated email address we have set up for skippers, crew and other interested members of the sector: RecreationalInternationallVoyage@maritimenz.govt.nz We will be providing further updates as the new arrangements are implemented. Wishing you and your families a Mānawatia a Matariki that is safe and restful. Maritime New Zealand Nō te rere moana Aotearoa W maritimenz.govt.nz saferboating.org.nz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,672 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Guess s8ngle handed sailing is no more Crew Experience You need at least one other person who has experience or a Yachtmaster certificate (either RYA or IYT) coastal or offshore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 The process seems like it my be easier for cruiser than the old as a lot of the difference was racing requirements that YNZ included, plus you don’t now need to be a member of a yacht club I think single handed will still be a possibility, the idea is you get sign off for your intended voyage on paper then get your boat signed off as being suitable There are going to be issues to work through however if they are willing to adapt the system as these arise it could be better than the current system where it’s often up to the inspectors discretion Watch this space and if you can see any problems let me know and I’ll bring them up, I’ve seen a couple and am sitting firmly on the fence with one leg either side at this point 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,672 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Same, not holding my breath. I'm curious who MNZ will send to look at your boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 281 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Just had probably the last Cat 1 issued before MNZ took it back, I see the new cost ex MNZ is over twice the YNZ rate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 8 hours ago, Black Panther said: Same, not holding my breath. I'm curious who MNZ will send to look at your boat. We’ve ( current YNZ inspectors ) have been asked to apply as casual employees Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 18 minutes ago, Jon said: We’ve ( current YNZ inspectors ) have been asked to apply as casual employees Holiday Pay. Sick Leave. All the perks of working for a Government dept 😂😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 14 hours ago, CarpeDiem said: Holiday Pay. Sick Leave. All the perks of working for a Government dept 😂😂 Yes that’s what someone else has said, haven’t seen the paperwork yet but I’ll be getting my employment consultant (offshore crew) to give it the once over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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