Black Panther 1,701 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-boating-pwc-licence-to-have-massive-price-increase-on-july-1/0d77bb70-7160-48d7-b2da-6730b33f6aef Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 358 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Who is Will Robinson? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,070 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, K4309 said: Who is Will Robinson? Clearly Gen X or later. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 225 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 So only $60 a year to register your boat? Not so bad then! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 679 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, ex Elly said: So only $60 a year to register your boat? Not so bad then! And a skipper licence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
w44vi 17 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 The real question is do licences improve safety? Doesn't seem to help with cars Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,070 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 48 minutes ago, w44vi said: The real question is do licences improve safety? Doesn't seem to help with cars That's not really able to be stated. There is no easily available counterfactual. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 739 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 In NZ licensing and registration is a solution looking for a problem 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 679 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, Psyche said: In NZ licensing and registration is a solution looking for a problem possably required for trailered power vessels,how do you report/identify white buccaner/sea nymph etc moored vessels mostly have name displayed and easier to track if need be. jetskis have to be registered,so why not trailer vessels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 739 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Jetskis were registered mainly due to a number of dangerous and deadly incidents involving young men being idiots, pressure groups formed which got the politicians involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 358 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, Psyche said: Jetskis were registered mainly due to a number of dangerous and deadly incidents involving young men being idiots, pressure groups formed which got the politicians involved. And the Mayor of Auckland, John Banks. Busted hooning on a jetski within 200m of shore, might have been Kohi I think. I would support registration of boats, specifically with a clearly displayed identifying number. That people can be easily traced and followed up for poor behaviour I think would have a profound effect on a lot of poor behaviour. I would say to register fizz boats, but I have no issue with registering all boats, not going to pretend yachties and launch owners don't have a proportion of poorly behaving individuals. I don't see any benefit in licensing. In Aust it appears to be a revenue generating means, possibly with the justification to fund on water enforcement. I believe people should have the right to kill themselves if they choose not to wear a LJ or try crossing bars when it's not on etc, most of the things that licensing would educate you on. The only issue with boat registration would be the cost of administering the system compared to the benefits. I'm not convinced the benefits would outweigh the cost. The question being, what problem are we trying to solve? There is a big difference between inconsiderate boats passing too close at speed / putting up wake, and outright dangerous boats that need to be apprehended. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 451 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 The thin end of the wedge, pin stripe suit wearers in Wellington bring this up everytime their dept looks at downsizing . Creating a job for themselves with no definable benefit to the general populace. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LBD 170 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 This mornings Nelson Marina fees update.... "Boat Ramp charges have been increased by 150% from $6 to $15 per use" That is a cut and paste....I am now waiting for a correction to come out.... I hope correction is changing $15 to $9 and not 150% to 250% Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alibaba 80 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 There is an easy answer to the registration problem, which avoid the incredible expense of setting up a new authority with all its staffing etc. The AA already register thousands of vehicles. Just add boat registration to the AA, minimal setup cost, just a design of one new form, and we're done. Auckland Council of course, are thick, with their registration of jetskis. They wanted that as mentioned above to have the details of the owners in case of misbehaviour, loss etc. Why, oh why, did Auckland Council simple not say "register your jetski by getting a VHF callsign". The same information is logged with your callsign, it uniquely identifies you, and best of all, if you get into trouble, Coastguard can assist, and has your details in case of emergency. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,070 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 AA doesn't register vehicles. It acts as an agent for NZTA. Conceivably, the same system attached to a different database could work. Problem is, NZTA is not a maritime authority so a whole set of legislation would need to be enacted to make it work. Same with the vhf call sign idea. It's generally a bad idea to try and make one database do more than one thing. If recreational boat regi,stration was to be a thing, the only real approach is a new database under the control of the relevant authority. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alibaba 80 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Quite correct, AA is the agent. But then we'd have three authorities, all with their beaurocrats, and all the expenses. Just treat vessels as vehicles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,070 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, alibaba said: Quite correct, AA is the agent. But then we'd have three authorities, all with their beaurocrats, and all the expenses. Just treat vessels as vehicles. Following that logic, they will also issue gun licences and fishing licences, building permits, doctors registrations, etc One authority to rule them all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grant 44 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 19 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: Following that logic, they will also issue gun licences and fishing licences, building permits, doctors registrations, etc One authority to rule them all. actually that's not a bad idea, but not "to rule them" just to sell them. Basically set up an online Govt "supermarket", a shop front to allow purchase payment for whatever you need from Govt. The individual items/license or whatever would be administered under whatever part of govt they come from but then it only need one on line site that does payments, security etc. rather than each department having to set that up. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 679 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 23 hours ago, alibaba said: Why, oh why, did Auckland Council simple not say "register your jetski by getting a VHF callsign". Why not just trailer regristration? If you have a double trailer,as same do,then add a extra number? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 679 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 21 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: fishing licences speaking of which,had to purchase a 24hr trout licence,biggest have around $24 per day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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