Zozza 376 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Handsome vessel, that you could sail anywhere with a bit of TLC and updated equipment. Looks to be based on my Kim Holman Twister, though slightly larger. https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/6079265262?rsqid=1876a0b414a34c8082fed9f7ed90e2d0-002 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 502 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 20 minutes ago, Zozza said: Handsome vessel, that you could sail anywhere with a bit of TLC and updated equipment. Looks to be based on my Kim Holman Twister, though slightly larger. https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/6079265262?rsqid=1876a0b414a34c8082fed9f7ed90e2d0-002 Sadly Zozza yes she is our old boat. Whoever has done this to her needs to be locked up. Claude Smith designed beautifully built by Jim Cross. Breaks my heart to see her in this state. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 236 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Its a damn shame, I don't know why people buys boats that they cant or wont mantain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,184 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 18 minutes ago, Frank said: Its a damn shame, I don't know why people buys boats that they cant or wont mantain. ...because circumstances change. Also, while past owners attach emotional value an item, the current owner may not have bought the item with any emotional involvement and so they make an entirely pragmatic decision. Maintain and spend the value of the boat every two years in doing so, or use and then onsell to someone who is looking for a viable project. We are in exactly the same position atm. To upgrade SO and bring her back to a 10-year condition represents significant investment - more than she is worth even once it is done even without labour costing. We are better literally giving her away and buying something else, especially in the market at the moment. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 502 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Putting emotion to the side in my view it takes a “special” kind of individual to take a sound well fettled vessel and reduce it to a near wreck. The only positive I can take away from this wanton disregard and vandalism is the fact that Priscilla was superbly built initially and she may well grace the sparkling Waitemata again however I am not exactly overflowing with confidence of that ever eventuating. My original family ride has been locked far from the sea too and most probably will never rise and fall to a tide nor bend her shoulder into a decent breeze again either. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 973 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: ...because circumstances change. Also, while past owners attach emotional value an item, the current owner may not have bought the item with any emotional involvement and so they make an entirely pragmatic decision. Maintain and spend the value of the boat every two years in doing so, or use and then onsell to someone who is looking for a viable project. We are in exactly the same position atm. To upgrade SO and bring her back to a 10-year condition represents significant investment - more than she is worth even once it is done even without labour costing. We are better literally giving her away and buying something else, especially in the market at the moment. Old boats are worth nothing in Auckland. It wasn't that long ago that people were asking double, triple or more than todays prices- and getting it! I know people who got what they thought were screaming bargains a couple of years ago are now lamenting they paid way too much. Old wooden boats? if the maintenance gets away and you haven't got the time, skills or the cash, its time to run over it with a digger and sell the lead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 502 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, Psyche said: Old boats are worth nothing in Auckland. It wasn't that long ago that people were asking double, triple or more than todays prices- and getting it! I know people who got what they thought were screaming bargains a couple of years ago are now lamenting they paid way too much. Old wooden boats? if the maintenance gets away and you haven't got the time, skills or the cash, its time to run over it with a digger and sell the lead. $900 pm for a 10m marina $1200 pm for a 12m marina has also made a major contribution to reducing the value of moored vessels. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 973 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Agreed, thats the political world we live in which prices everything but values very little. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 502 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I’ll bang on further…aside from the excessive cost of marina fees corrosive impact on vessel values. One week on the hard 10m stinkpot for diy bottom job all up lift wash relaunch and yard fees $1800. I have no objection at all to people making money I do however object to being robbed. There is little difference in yard costs here in the City of Sails a buddy recently had a serious open wallet osmosis surgery done and the hardstands fees alone were eye watering. Whangarei is cheaperer a bit of a commute though. The Okahu Bay debacle further adds weight to evidencing the unrelenting war on owners of smaller moored vessels and multihulls within Auckland City. The growing number of vacancies at the “proletariat” end of where I am moored is proof that price gouging is at play. It’s not all about the money contrary to popular opinion it is however a matter of fairness and by precluding future generations access to affordable boating will most definitely only result in fewer and fewer young people ever enjoying being out on the sparkling Waitemata. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,845 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 17 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: ...because circumstances change. Also, while past owners attach emotional value an item, the current owner may not have bought the item with any emotional involvement and so they make an entirely pragmatic decision. Maintain and spend the value of the boat every two years in doing so, or use and then onsell to someone who is looking for a viable project. We are in exactly the same position atm. To upgrade SO and bring her back to a 10-year condition represents significant investment - more than she is worth even once it is done even without labour costing. We are better literally giving her away and buying something else, especially in the market at the moment. Have I got a deal for you 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
khayyam 117 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Sad but true. The fixed costs are so high now (mooring, antifoul, insurance) that there's really no such thing as cheap boat ownership anymore. And once you're paying all that, most people figure they might as well put in a bit more $ and have a much nicer boat. (Or not doing it al all). Hence the bottom falling out of the market at the lower end. Still a few people at places like milford or weiti making it work but not nearly enough for all the old boats. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,184 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 6 hours ago, Black Panther said: Have I got a deal for you Mrs Aardvark has already made suggestions.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,845 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 We're very negotiable. Don't even feel guilty about making us homeless. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zozza 376 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 10 hours ago, Black Panther said: We're very negotiable. Don't even feel guilty about making us homeless. Downsizing BP, or swallowing anchor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,845 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 8 hours ago, Zozza said: Downsizing BP, or swallowing anchor? Downsizing but a trip back to the DR first is the current plan. Angela hasn't been back to her island for over 20 years, so this seems like an opportunity. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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