sealegs 0 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Hi All I Need to pick your brains again for repairs on my H28... I discovered my tiller (approx 1.5m long) is partially rotten about 30cm from the tip inside the cockpit towards the rudder.Ive been advised to have a new one made but I would like to know how to remove said tiller from the rudder & what would be a fair price to pay for a new tiller?. Is there a specific wood type that should be used ?. Ive attached pics of the rudder area showing 3 bolts close to the tiller /rudder fixture 1 above, 1 below & 1 bolt just making contact ? below tiller . I presume these bolts should be removed/loosend but it does not appear to be holding the tiller at all to the rudder accept for the middle one ?, but rather strengthening the contact area. Another problem I discovered is my old manual bilge pump no longer pumps. I presume the diaphram needs replacing, however my attempt to remove the pump was obstructed. I loosened 2 st/steel nuts off bolts coming thru the floor securing the pump to the floor above the bilge sump. When I attempted to lift the pump off the bolts the floor appeared to be still attached to the base of the pump.Is this glue thats been used? I am contemplating leaving the faulty pump in place as its not in the way and just place a small 12V electric pump in place & redirecting the outlet hose from the old to the new. These pics were taken when I had her out of the water last year, She is now on a swing mooring at cruising club some advice please... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Your rudder looks very similar to mine. On my H there was a bolt holding the tiller in place under a bolted on SS cover. I loosened the cover, removed the bolt and out came the tiller. I'd say that by removing your bolts the tiller will be freed and you can pull it out………..but that can be a mission if the wood in the rudder and the tiller have got damp and swollen. You might need to tap it out from the back. I think I have seen tillers in one of the swindleries, but one can easily laminate and shape a new one at home with any decent hard wood. I think Yew is the traditional wood, but I'd be surprised if you could find any. I'd also think twice before ditching my manual bilge pump and relying on an electrical one only. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Hi All I Need to pick your brains again for repairs on my H28... I discovered my tiller (approx 1.5m long) is partially rotten about 30cm from the tip inside the cockpit towards the rudder.Ive been advised to have a new one made but I would like to know how to remove said tiller from the rudder & what would be a fair price to pay for a new tiller?. Is there a specific wood type that should be used ?. Ive attached pics of the rudder area showing 3 bolts close to the tiller /rudder fixture 1 above, 1 below & 1 bolt just making contact ? below tiller . I presume these bolts should be removed/loosend but it does not appear to be holding the tiller at all to the rudder accept for the middle one ?, but rather strengthening the contact area. Another problem I discovered is my old manual bilge pump no longer pumps. I presume the diaphram needs replacing, however my attempt to remove the pump was obstructed. I loosened 2 st/steel nuts off bolts coming thru the floor securing the pump to the floor above the bilge sump. When I attempted to lift the pump off the bolts the floor appeared to be still attached to the base of the pump.Is this glue thats been used? I am contemplating leaving the faulty pump in place as its not in the way and just place a small 12V electric pump in place & redirecting the outlet hose from the old to the new. These pics were taken when I had her out of the water last year, She is now on a swing mooring at cruising club some advice please... Hay 'Sealegs' Wait until the - guilt playing, guitar sewing bloke comes in & gives you some 'real' inside advice, or just PM - bbay - he's THE guy - for sure. Ciao, james OH - by the way - don't let him know I'm haven-a-shot at him or he'll put cement powder in my breaky, eh. Ciao. james Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Hows the Craven Raven Any durable hardwood that is clear of any defects and durable. Its not standing in water so conditions for the timber are fairly good. Jarrah, Mahogany, Bluegum, Teak maybe Totara, Brown Oak. Not got a lot of experience with Totara but I understand it would be durable enough, should be plenty strong enough but maybe I'll be corrected on this point. See Mike at http://www.rarefind.co.nz/ Mike is an expert at anything to do with NZ native and exotic timbers and he's got a lot of Brown Oak on hand. Link to post Share on other sites
sealegs 0 Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 @ anttay thanks for your input. I removed the 3 bolts and found no other mechanisms beneath the plate holding the tiller. Tiller would not budge at all. Gave it a couple of taps from the rear and still nothing moving. Had to cut a template using cardboard with tiller in place till I can get one made and start over again. The bilge pump I eventually had to force off the floor causing minor damage. It seems some bright spark screwed the pump onto the floor from beneath the floor. Even with the pump in the vice at the workshop, I still cannot get those 2 screws to turn. Opening the pump I found the metal pitted on the inside around the circumference where the seal should be and steel screws was used to hold the rubber valves in place. Needless to say those screws just broke off when I attempted to remove them. Conclusion....pump not serviceable. I'm taking note of your point on not relying on an electrical pump only so I shall search for a suitable manual pump to replace the old. @bbay Thanks for that. I am looking at those wood types you mentioned.A mate says he might have a length of kauri for me and he will make the tiller too. thanks guys. most appreciated sealegs Link to post Share on other sites
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