Commercial survey advice please

[Jonquil 545]

Can anyone point me in the right direction for putting Sundreamer into survey to carry fare-paying passengers for daysailing?

 

It's always been a long term dream of mine.

[rigger 47]

Get in touch with one of the SSM companies, you'll need one anyway and they can set you of on the right track - hopefully

 

have a look at http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/Commercial/Commercial.asp

 

SSM companies

http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/Commercia ... ompany.asp

 

A Guide

http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/Publicati ... t-2009.pdf

 

These steps summarise the process to get a vessel’s safe ship management certificate.

 

1.Decide if your vessel is (or will be) used for fishing, passengers, non passengers or a combination of these.

2.Choose your safe ship management company. (see link below)

3.Discuss the scope of your operation with your safe ship management company.

4.Draw up and sign a contract (membership document) with your safe ship management company.

5.Is your vessel yet to be built or an existing vessel?

6.For a new build, get design approval from one of Maritime New Zealand’s approved design companies. (see link below). Build the vessel under supervision of one of Maritime New Zealand’s recognised surveyors. (see link below)

7.For an existing vessel, find out if it has design approval. Where the design has already been approved, get a letter from an approved safe ship management company stating design approval is not required. Otherwise get design approval from one of Maritime New Zealand’s approved design companies. (see link below). Following design approval, present your vessel for initial inspection by one of Maritime New Zealand’s recognised surveyors. (see link below)

8.Your safe ship management company needs to get a MSA number for your vessel

9.You need to get all of the required certificates for your vessel. Register your vessel for national if applicable.

10.Correct all deficiencies and get a fit for purpose document

11.Get approval for your safe ship management manual and maintenance plan.

12.Address all health and safety requirements.

13.Get your three-month exemption certificate.

14.Begin operating commercially. During this time ensure your safe ship management manual is made ship specific

15.Present your vessel for an initial audit well before expiry of your exemption certificate.

16.Attend to any corrective actions arising from the audit within agreed time frames and before your exemption certificate expires.

17.Get your safe ship management certificate.

18.Display your safe ship management certificate on your vessel.

[rigger 47]

By the way the entire SSM system is up for change, new rules (part 19 and 44) are under discussion now. Not sure if it would be better to get in under the current system or wait for the new one, either way it costs.

[Jonquil 545]

Thanks rigger. Any recomendations as to which of the companies listed would be most suitable for a classic yacht?

[rigger 47]

Dunsford know a bit about sailing vessels - Talk to Bob

[Guest]

Unless you love bureaucratic BS then have a handy supply of valium available. There is a large disparity between SSM requirements & YNZ category.

[grant 46]

there was a proposal (currently on the shelf) to make yachts available for 'sailing instruction' or similar, the requirements for the vessel were more in line with YNZ and from memory the masters certification was also involved with the YNZ courses. If you're in no rush that may make life easier to see if that is going to happen. Talk to Alistair Thompson at MNZ in Auckland , 093061086 who will be able to give you more 9information and any possible time frame. I think it was an amendment to Part 40 under the heading of Sail training, Alistair will know.

 

Otherwise take a deep breath and set aside plenty of time and buy in a case of whatever calms you down in the evening

[Jonquil 545]

Thanks guys (pm's received) It's always comforting when multiple people recommend the same person.

[ScottiE 174]

Good to hear there's a highly recommended person out there. Can just imagine SD's conversation with a clipboard carrying muppet to this criteria

 

"7.For an existing vessel, find out if it has design approval. Where the design has already been approved, get a letter from an approved safe ship management company stating design approval is not required. Otherwise get design approval from one of Maritime New Zealand’s approved design companies."

 

clipboard carrying muppet (ccm): "Designers name?"

SD: "Barker"

ccm: "I don't recognise that name - what does he specialise in?"

SD: "water colours mostly - some sculpture"

[Guest]

I see a strong theme in these posts SD, as I mentioned myself.

 

That being 'stock up on calming substances, you will need it'.

 

Having been there done that, there is no way I can disagree.

[Guest]

Many , many years ago (early eighties) boats of under 8m were exempt (pretty sure) - still the case?

 

Or was I confused - we were doing it for Taupo so maybe it was inshore or something like that.

 

Anybody got any ideas?

[The big T 45]

Pretty sure the cut off used to be 6 metres - I remember a paragliding guy that had to cut the bow off his boat to get under the length.

 

Gone by the wayside now - in a previous job I put a 12 ft Fyran into a Safe Ship management programme. Was a first and quite entertaining.

[Guest]

Cool - thanks for clarifying BT. It was a long long time ago.

 

EE

[Jonquil 545]

Word so far is that it is doable, main concern being the lack of drawings and specifications. Nothing that time and money can't fix.

We will not be changing her look in any way.

[Guest]

I doubt you'll have much drama there SD. Your fine beast has got a good track record with regards to knot flying to pieces. That will help a lot.

 

Be very interest to see how you go and any traps you find along the way.