Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 If this latest regatta is the best guide we have for the AC to come, based on similar designs sailing on the probable AC course, then this is how i read it. Oracle team Spittel / coutts are a step above ETNZ Peter Burling is making Dean Barker look like NZ's second option based on his 5 minutes in a AC45 with a new team and footing it with the best. ETNZ have the wrong skipper. BURLING is THE MAN!.... to watch In similar boats ETNZ look average. Thus i believe this is the reason they are pushing the foil thing hard ... to make up for a team that is not as good as others. OC KM... Based on the above biased comments it is obvious that Some Kiwi's hate winners like Oracle, Spittel, coutts, Americans (who have the Cup) and Aussies (who are the best sailing nation In the world based on Olympic medals won at the last olympics). green with envy. royal 780, This event is not a dud because Coutts came up with the big Multi option. nor is it a dud because of the number of challengers.It is a dud because the event is being held in a huge worldwide recession that has seen a worldwide tightening of wallets (CORPORATE S AND Millionaires). Oceancruiser. you are right about Barker. not only is his cat sailing ability average. he also does not have a winning record at big events / finals and has less "fast boat" SKIFF/CAT sailing skill than Beter Burling. his skills, fast pickup of the handling skill required to sail the boat and fearless ability make Barker look like an old man. In fact i believe Barker and team ETNZ are risk averse and afraid to push the boundaries of boat speed in these AC45,s and push the boat as hard as the others (whom do capsize a bit but also learn alot).... which probably explains why ETNZ have put foils on their 72.... to make it easier to sail without burying its nose. also, OC and i are correct in saying that foils MIGHT not be the fastest option around San Fran. Yet again ETNZ are gambling on a HULA to save them. and The hinged wing will also be something that might trump the Kiwi's with that i bid you farwell Link to post Share on other sites
203 0 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Man its always negative comments with you towards ETNZ... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 EMTNZ have not come out firing in the new AC45 series and there are many answered questions as to why to which I cant help. Hopefully its just because sailing a foiling AC72 is taking all of their focus or their holding something back (very unlike EMTNZ). I will eat humble pie though if the second place winners from last season are just out of form and struggling to foot it with Oracle who seem to have better sails than the rest of the fleet. Link to post Share on other sites
Kiteroa 8 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 These exit speeches are becoming a weekly feature! Although Burling does look to be doing pretty well. Shame he won't have a 72 come the start of the main event. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I disagree JP The next AC is NOT sailed on one design or simillar boats therefore the winning team will have the best boat and the best crew. Barker and co are a great team and would be killing the competition in the 45s if they actually focused 100% on it like the other teams. Fact is we are developing the best team to sail our 72 ETNZ excell in open design races. Just look at the TP52 campaign If you want the best one design skipper its Ben Anslie. It takes more than a good sailing team to win the next AC Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 the winning team will have the best boat and the best crew. The winners will more than likely be the ones whose boat breaks the least. In which case TNZ does have the best looking team at the moment. They will also have experience coutts and co won't have. It could be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Same people bagging ETNZ as during the Volvo and look how that ended up , sailing one of the slower boats and ended up with a great result. Sounds like a bunch of whinging poms to me! Go ETNZ! Can't wait to see the new boat! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 They going sailing today? Link to post Share on other sites
Kiteroa 8 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 How about this latest development....? http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup:-Significant-win-for-Emirates-Team-NZ-in-Jury-Room/102755 Might mean a start again on foils for OR and Art. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 How about this latest development....? http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup:-Significant-win-for-Emirates-Team-NZ-in-Jury-Room/102755 Might mean a start again on foils for OR and Art. yip. but that might be a good thing. especially if the hinged foil works out to be fast! Link to post Share on other sites
Kiteroa 8 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Maybe so, although it's a further erosion of time, resource, money and foil allocation for those other teams. Now probably isn't the time to be changing your baseline foil concept either. The winner is Prada. They're going to be good to go straight out of the box with their 72. Already having a refined foil for the first days sailing, with another 9 revisions left for development. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Maybe so, although it's a further erosion of time, resource, money and foil allocation for those other teams. Now probably isn't the time to be changing your baseline foil concept either. The winner is Prada. They're going to be good to go straight out of the box with their 72. Already having a refined foil for the first days sailing, with another 9 revisions left for development. True but don't underestimate Coutts and co. they have 180+ days, money, and all the resources the "big ol yankee technology machine" can muster. and then there is the course and its suitably to foil around it faster than a non foiler and still maintain some tactical advantage. Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Coutts can never be underestimated this is true - they'll catch up soon enough. The course length etc is a red herring. ETNZ know the min. course length they'll be on as this has been settled on some time ago. from herald Mondayday - "Iain Murray, the head of America's Cup Race Management, said the competitors were all "very clear" they wanted three-miles legs (4.8km) at minimum for next year's races." And if the comment below is true (taken from the sailing world article above) then its simply a matter of being able set up to gybe constantly down a narrow fairway which they'll simply train to do. Do that, and its game over. "Waterfront scuttlebutt has it that the ETNZ AC72 has been able to gybe while fully foiling at speeds of 40knots - which if true is rather impressive." Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Coutts can never be underestimated this is true - they'll catch up soon enough. The course length etc is a red herring. ETNZ know the min. course length they'll be on as this has been settled on some time ago. from herald Mondayday - "Iain Murray, the head of America's Cup Race Management, said the competitors were all "very clear" they wanted three-miles legs (4.8km) at minimum for next year's races." And if the comment below is true (taken from the sailing world article above) then its simply a matter of being able set up to gybe constantly down a narrow fairway which they'll simply train to do. Do that, and its game over. "Waterfront scuttlebutt has it that the ETNZ AC72 has been able to gybe while fully foiling at speeds of 40knots - which if true is rather impressive." course length is also a red herring because the breeze required to foil on the 3 mile legs could be less that 40%. Which means they may be off the foill for 60%. then there are the light days where you will not foil. the winner might be ..... the weather. one week of light winds could foil the foilers.... unless coutts brings out the classic "conner" Modes trick and has different rigs and foils for different weather. it not what they are telling us.... but what they are NOT telling us Scottie.... beam me up! Link to post Share on other sites
Kiteroa 8 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Coutts can never be underestimated this is true - they'll catch up soon enough. The course length etc is a red herring. ETNZ know the min. course length they'll be on as this has been settled on some time ago. from herald Mondayday - "Iain Murray, the head of America's Cup Race Management, said the competitors were all "very clear" they wanted three-miles legs (4.8km) at minimum for next year's races." And if the comment below is true (taken from the sailing world article above) then its simply a matter of being able set up to gybe constantly down a narrow fairway which they'll simply train to do. Do that, and its game over. "Waterfront scuttlebutt has it that the ETNZ AC72 has been able to gybe while fully foiling at speeds of 40knots - which if true is rather impressive." course length is also a red herring because the breeze required to foil on the 3 mile legs could be less that 40%. Which means they may be off the foill for 60%. then there are the light days where you will not foil. the winner might be ..... the weather. one week of light winds could foil the foilers.... unless coutts brings out the classic "conner" Modes trick and has different rigs and foils for different weather. it not what they are telling us.... but what they are NOT telling us Scottie.... beam me up! Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Have a look at this article JP http://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Americas-Cup:-Significant-win-for-Emirates-Team-NZ-in-Jury-Room/102755 photo shows them foiling in 10-12 knots of breeze a lot more impressive than the Team Oracle banana boat wouldn't you say? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Coutts can never be underestimated this is true - they'll catch up soon enough. The course length etc is a red herring. ETNZ know the min. course length they'll be on as this has been settled on some time ago. from herald Mondayday - "Iain Murray, the head of America's Cup Race Management, said the competitors were all "very clear" they wanted three-miles legs (4.8km) at minimum for next year's races." And if the comment below is true (taken from the sailing world article above) then its simply a matter of being able set up to gybe constantly down a narrow fairway which they'll simply train to do. Do that, and its game over. "Waterfront scuttlebutt has it that the ETNZ AC72 has been able to gybe while fully foiling at speeds of 40knots - which if true is rather impressive." course length is also a red herring because the breeze required to foil on the 3 mile legs could be less that 40%. Which means they may be off the foill for 60%. then there are the light days where you will not foil. the winner might be ..... the weather. one week of light winds could foil the foilers.... unless coutts brings out the classic "conner" Modes trick and has different rigs and foils for different weather. it not what they are telling us.... but what they are NOT telling us Scottie.... beam me up! you sailed there WT? I have and this could be might interesting. Paul Cayard is one shrewd seppo and he is casting doub'ts on foilng in the Bay. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Maybe so, although it's a further erosion of time, resource, money and foil allocation for those other teams. Now probably isn't the time to be changing your baseline foil concept either. The winner is Prada. They're going to be good to go straight out of the box with their 72. Already having a refined foil for the first days sailing, with another 9 revisions left for development. True but don't underestimate Coutts and co. they have 180+ days, money, and all the resources the "big ol yankee technology machine" can muster. and then there is the course and its suitably to foil around it faster than a non foiler and still maintain some tactical advantage. All the money and recourse in the world cannot buy time Word on the street is Larry has all but given up on the AC. Doesn't care any more and just wants it over with. Doesn't want to go through all the drama for another 4 years if they win. + ETNZ have designed better foiles and have done more practice. Money can't buy time on the water Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Have a look at this article JP http://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Americas-Cup:-Significant-win-for-Emirates-Team-NZ-in-Jury-Room/102755 photo shows them foiling in 10-12 knots of breeze a lot more impressive than the Team Oracle banana boat wouldn't you say? 13 Knots is the Wind speed required and 13 across the whole course. 50% of the course under 13 knots and ETNZ 3 AC races under 13 knots could se there trousers around their ankles and a good ol can of WHOOP ASS! Also don't right of the others! it just not about Oracle Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Have a look at this article JP http://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Americas-Cup:-Significant-win-for-Emirates-Team-NZ-in-Jury-Room/102755 photo shows them foiling in 10-12 knots of breeze a lot more impressive than the Team Oracle banana boat wouldn't you say? 13 Knots is the Wind speed required and 13 across the whole course. 50% of the course under 13 knots and ETNZ 3 AC races under 13 knots could se there trousers around their ankles and a good ol can of WHOOP ASS! Also don't right of the others! it just not about Oracle Link to post Share on other sites
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