Auckland to Bluff

[Guest]

Anyone know what handicapping system they intend to use?

 

 

It's all here

 

http://www.a2b-race.com/race-details/notice-of-race/

 

Costs to enter about $1000 per boat 6 crew, $50 per crew member after that. All boats have to have a $3,000,000 policy which is a third party insurance policy only. That could be expensive.

 

$150 for missing documentation on application.

 

 

Crew weight restriction KLGS Crew numbers multiplied by 90. No Fatties unless there are less weight crew members to compensate.

 

All yachts must have a min HP motor as per there schedule.

 

Life raft Cat 1 plus other safety regs YNZ Safety Regulations Part II, Category 2.

 

Carry 17 charts pertaining to the race track.

 

All crew mustl be a financial member of a yacht club or other organization

affiliated to a National Authority.

 

SSB should be able to transmit and be received by taupo marine radio at all times.

 

The captain and 60% of the crew must also have sailed no less than 250nm, non stop, on open

water, together on the same entered vessel

 

At least 3/4s of the crew members shall have a current certificate from an approved ISAF Advanced Survival at Sea

Course.

 

At least 2 crew must hold a STCW 95 First Aid Training complying with A-VI/1-3 - Elementary

First Aid or higher STCW level or be a practising doctor.

 

The Organising Authority can refuse, without explanation, any entry.

 

handicap and ratings:

IRC

PHRF (Offshore TCF)

Multihull handicap (details will be contained in the Sailing Instructions

 

 

entrants shall list the crew for the race and substitutions will only be permitted on written application

showing the crew member substituted and experience of that crew member.

 

Entrants during the race communicating information to any internet site is prohibited from the vessel. But if you phone somebody and get them to post it ??

 

Rule 19 Well.

[Guest]

Where is the sponsorship money going they need such high entrants fees.

 

I see its a limited liability company

 

 

A2B@C Limited

 

OC

[Guest]

What do you think about the motors have to be in board, and life rafts having insulated floors and ballast chambers.

 

Does Vodafone have a motor. All the photos I seen there does not appear to be a propellor or shaft.

 

Electic winches are allowed. Create a record it won,t be accepted by the world racing record committee except as a power assisted record.

 

OC

[203 0]

Even though it looks like a odd and different race, and maybe not a good one, ID like to have a shot at it. Would be a good achievement for a 18yrold like me to have done. I say bring it on.

[NZL3551 0]

What do you think about the motors have to be in board, and life rafts having insulated floors and ballast chambers.

 

Does Vodafone have a motor. All the photos I seen there does not appear to be a propellor or shaft.

 

Electic winches are allowed. Create a record it won,t be accepted by the world racing record committee except as a power assisted record.

 

OC

 

 

They sure do. Fixed prop which might soon be a lifting prop.

[Fish 0]

ID like to have a shot at it. Would be a good achievement for a 18yrold like me to have done. I say bring it on.

Mate, as a 37 yr old professional project manager, I'd be absolutely stocked to just comply with their entry conditions

And you'll need a professional project manager to achieve an entry, let alone the race.

 

You need two doctors, both under 90 kg - Patch will be in hot demand

Everyone bar one with sea survival (add $500 each and a whole weekend each)

Two mortgage repayments worth of entry fees

The entire crew to have done either Three Kings or White Island together, and

$3mil in public liability insurance

No sat phone and a new life raft,

Just so you can get on the piss with a Southland netballer

 

I'd be keen to give you a hand getting your boat entered, but unfortunately we won't be taking mine

[203 0]

I under stand that. It would be interesting to see what does happen with this race. I know this yacht racing thing isnt cheap. Everyone has goals in life right?

[Guest]

Designed to fail?. Maybe they get a bunch of advertising for their new marina and the race quietly fades away???

[Guest]

Looking a smidgen deeper into it I seriously doubt it's designed to fail, someone/s have been doing some serious ground work getting just to this stage. Reading between the lines it's an event aimed knot so much for your average weekend warrior as it is for those one may say are bigger boated and more well heeled. Nothing wrong with that if that's who you want in your event.

 

While I do think there is something knot quite right about this race in the way of when/why but certainly knot in a dodgy way, it's there and I hope they can get it to work. Like a few I am sceptical but then I'm in the same place with the AC i.e. we just have to wait and see as neither have been done before.

 

Yes OC, that clause 19 is an interesting one indeed. I'd certainly knot be totally happy with such an open ended one like that which also removes all your rights to you using your own media that also give them the right to do whatever they like with it, but I'm sure if it was that much of a biggie you could chat to them to see what can be done. Being a film dude he is probably used to getting shite loads for the proverbial nothing then on sell them for gazillions.

 

So it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out for them. If they have come up with something people want then I'm sure it'll one of those 'build it and they will come' things and build. If they haven't then gurgle gurgle gurgle it'll go.

[Adrianp 137]

Yep, some interesting wording in Clause 19:

 

19.2 Crew members of boats may, prior to, during and after the race, speak or provide material to any media

representatives accredited by A2B@C Limited or any person or organisation duly authorised by A2B@C Limited,

regarding the race and the prospects, performance or strategy of boats entered or participating in the race, subject to

any comments and material not undermining or interfering with, or having a detrimental impact on A2B@C Limited

(and/or Royal Akarana etc.) and their officers and employees, the Race Committee, the Jury or Protest Committee,

measurers or sponsors of the race. This approval may be revoked by A2B@C Limited in respect of a boat or media

representative at any time.

 

19.3 Any breach of this clause may, at the discretion of the A2B@C Limited or the Race Committee, lead to the rejection of

an entry, the cancellation of an entry or the disqualification of a boat. This does not limit the right of A2B@C Limited to

take any other action it sees fit to enforce compliance with these conditions.

[Guest]

What do you think about the motors have to be in board, and life rafts having insulated floors and ballast chambers.

 

Does Vodafone have a motor. All the photos I seen there does not appear to be a propellor or shaft.

 

Electic winches are allowed. Create a record it won,t be accepted by the world racing record committee except as a power assisted record.

 

OC

 

 

They sure do. Fixed prop which might soon be a lifting prop.

 

Plus

 

All bilge pumps shall be a size and capacity commensurate with the displacement and type of yacht and be fitted

with strum boxes or strainers.

 

 

One manual bilge pump operable with all cockpit seats, hatches and companionways closed.

 

Pulpits and lifelines fitted continuously around the working deck, a minimum height of 600mm above the local deck with an intermediate life/line. The life/lines shall be permanently supported at intervals of not more than 7ft by stanchions and pulpits which should be through‑bolted / welded.

 

Anchor chain::: Boat’s length on deck of chain, min plus 60m (195ft) of rope or chain, the bitter end of this cable to be secured to the hull.

 

Multihulls only. == A sea anchor OR drogue OR other recognised proven device.

 

 

The propeller shaft must be in good condition and unable to be withdrawn.

 

 

Interesting they made it cat 2 coastal race not cat 1 offshore. No SSB require only VHF and EPIRB.

 

 

OC

[Guest]

That stanchion requirement - do I dare say it will eliminate most multihulls and require quite a few monohulls to install extra stanchions. Plus Multihulls only, must have a escape hatch whilst inverted for a fully clothed crew member to get through and must at all times be clear from sea level whilst inverted/ fully capsized. Just as well they have restricted crew members to 90 kilos or some multis would have to install bigger escape hatches.

 

What do you think about the watertight compartments including lockers. FOR a Cat 2 race mainly close to shore. It's a wonder they did not impose all crew members must be able to swim 800 meters non stop.

 

 

 

OC

[Guest]

Wht is it only multihulls have to have a escape when the regs make it impossible for them to sink.

 

Mono hulls I thought would have been first in the firing line to have escape hatches as they sink.

 

There has been a lot on monohulls losing their keels and being inverted and crew trapped inside. How say you Knot you.

[Guest]

I say that while some of your comments/questions/observations are highly valid and certainly worth a look at, I am wondering if this A2B thread it the right one in which to raise them. The A2B team will only be trying to ensure they comply with the often silly counter productive Cat Regs that are forced upon us all by the assorted racist organisations.

 

Sussing the A2B NOR I'd say they have looked at and incorporated some bits from the Sydney Hobart. That's knot a silly thing to do with the experience they have had. Also I do get the distinct feeling this race is aimed more at those with bigger boats and wallets rather than us poor people where costs are a larger consideration.

 

I'd start another thread on those points you have mentioned OC.

[Guest]

I say that while some of your comments/questions/observations are highly valid and certainly worth a look at, I am wondering if this A2B thread it the right one in which to raise them. The A2B team will only be trying to ensure they comply with the often silly counter productive Cat Regs that are forced upon us all by the assorted racist organisations.

 

Sussing the A2B NOR I'd say they have looked at and incorporated some bits from the Sydney Hobart. That's knot a silly thing to do with the experience they have had. Also I do get the distinct feeling this race is aimed more at those with bigger boats and wallets rather than us poor people where costs are a larger consideration.

 

I'd start another thread on those points you have mentioned OC.

 

 

But But, The sh is not a coastal race like they are saying and further stipulations are to be advised re multihulls. Why do they have to wait to deliberate and ponder more restrictions.

 

The safety regs apply to all new boats and all races from 2013.

 

 

The monohulls are being built to mutihull light weight [ because they don't have a keel ] standards compared to previous years but they still insist with this light weight construction they must put a 2 ton keel or more on them. If you want a light go fast boat you build a Multihull. If you want a keel boat that is safe you can,t acheive it building light weight, because if you are hit by rougue waves or perfect storms they become broken/ unstuck. Smack water jack proved that to Paul Whitings unfortunate demise.

 

OC

[Guest]

But but, as valid and worthy of discussion comments they certainly are they just don't belong in this thread OC. They are general 'yachting wide' things where this thread is about 1 race.

 

Why the A2B team are waiting to release/stipulate more I have no idea. I've expressed interest in a race that starts a few weeks after this A2B and while it's been run a few times before they are also still fine tuning requirements for us on the boats and the race in general. That's just how it works.

[Guest]

ID like to have a shot at it. Would be a good achievement for a 18yrold like me to have done. I say bring it on.

Mate, as a 37 yr old professional project manager, I'd be absolutely stocked to just comply with their entry conditions

And you'll need a professional project manager to achieve an entry, let alone the race.

 

You need two doctors, both under 90 kg - Patch will be in hot demand

Everyone bar one with sea survival (add $500 each and a whole weekend each)

Two mortgage repayments worth of entry fees

The entire crew to have done either Three Kings or White Island together, and

$3mil in public liability insurance

No sat phone and a new life raft,

Just so you can get on the piss with a Southland netballer

 

I'd be keen to give you a hand getting your boat entered, but unfortunately we won't be taking mine

Not only a third party insurance, all boats that get a safety rating / certificate must insure yachting N.Z. with a indemnity policy that I presume must remain current every race the vessel enters during the 2 year period it is valid.

 

Any body knows how much this costs.

 

 

OC

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So all this talk who has filled the form out and really entered?

 

Looking at The race website very few people have even registered any real interest.

 

It would be great to see it happen I hope something changes and thet get some starters

[Guest]

Sundreamer summed it up best...what a crock of sh*t...and I thought I could leave it at that but after reading subsequent posts...

 

Where has the $400K gone and to whom?

 

The race director or organiser was quoted as saying before xmas when asked what would happen if the weather was bad on the west coast of the south island he said he would simply change the course and direct the fleet to come through Cook Strait and go down the east coast...about the stupidest idea I have ever heard and I for one would not enter a race with an idiot like that running the show.

 

The cut and paste from various SH requirements will kill the annual Fiji race if allowed to filter through to that race.

 

The SH (81 boats last year) has been ruined by the cost of the box ticking implemented to satisfy the courts subsequent to the 97 race, instead of addressing the real issues in offshore racing, education, experience and seamanship.

 

Given the NOR they clearly don't care about the domestic kiwi fleet and have pretty much disqualified 90% of our fleet, if they are hoping for some remnants of the SH to come over why don't they start the race in bluff and head to Auckland.

 

Ask SSANZ why they took the RNI to SI instead of Bluff...those boys know how to organise a race!!

 

I could go on and on but why bother these boys are on their own commercial programme and developing an iconic yacht race for kiwi yachties is not part of their agenda despite rorting $400k of our money and using the good name of yachting in New Zealand to do it

 

Given the gagging clause for this race many on tis site won't be able to enter anyway

[Guest]

Interesting thread. Who would actually like to give it a go? Like most things in life if you really want to do something you'll usually find a way.....just saying.