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@chrischamberlaine4160 22 hours ago The Bayesian disaster - in very simple terms for the layperson. This is a one in a million tragedy but we should examine the facts and learn from them. Bayesian boasts the second highest mast in the world at 75 metres on a length of 56m. She has a lifting keel to enable her to get into shallow areas. Fully down it gives a draft of 9.83m and raised a draft of 4m. A sailing yacht has a keel to counter the heeling moment generated by the power of her sail plan. I’m sorry to say that size matters to a superyacht owner and naval architects are seduced

I don't think God intended teak trees to be steam bent but I have sinned and succeeded😀

Not sure if this is marine talk or tech talk, but hey, I’m away sailing & it’s related. Starlink, bloody amazing! Total game changer for cruising, wifi calling, WhatsApp or any other net comms apps, hi speed interweb anywhere, pair it up with Predict Wind and you have tracking in realtime, over the horizon AIS, their very accurate weather routing blah blah blah. Island Time squeezed in fitting it a few days before we left, thanks Matt!

Surely posting this photo breaches the site rules? It must be contrary to the terms and conditions? Posting content that deliberately antagonises other site users, it's just blatant trolling now. I mean, here I am, stuck in Auckland on a rainy grey weekend, two bored kids in the house, a very long list of boat maintenance jobs confronting me, and Bad Kitty is posting this sort of inflammatory and controversial material...

Spot of sanding and varnishishshshing (Sorry paint fumes from working in the tent made me sthlurr my typing) Converted the main to loose footed and filled in the old sail track recess with a new strip of oregon. And installed the recovered upholstry Red wine, tomato products, beetroot, green, red and yellow curries are now banned substances on board.

Somewhat ironic that a superyacht sinks and everyone's suddenly positioning for the coming lawsuit city Italy tour. Meanwhile boat loads of poor brown people fleeing shithole countries in search of a better life and freedom, sink daily but they have been reduced to a mere comma in the ongoing narrative obsessed with the how and why a rich dude died on his very large special boat. A large theatrical song and dance will proceed but at the end of the day we will come back to the quaint term Perils of the Sea, occasionally unexpected sh*t will happen. You can try and plan for most

Pure speculation but perhaps they had the toys out and left the bomb doors open... sounds like it went down pretty quickly.

Had my Ross 830 at over 90 degrees with me in a bosuns chair at the top of the rig, and the retractable bulb keel up against the hull. Mast tip hit the water, had a cordless drill, phone, car keys etc on cockpit seat and didn't get one drop of water over the coamings. I remember hanging out in the river strapped to top of the mast, looking at the boat and thinking "So that's why it's that shape"

The perfect commentary level for a sailiing video

Thanks BP. I was concerned at the lack of an authoritative source in the public domain for the boat. This retired designers fb post completely puts my concerns to rest.

Starlink Mini, https://www.techspot.com/news/103471-starlink-mini-299-dish-provides-100mbps-wifi-6.html runs a bit slower than the Gen 2/3 units but still very useful. Runs off a USB point so no need for any DC conversions

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They are making the same mistake with AC as they are with T20. Old AC in the relatively slow monohulls was like watching test cricket, and the frantic tacking and sail changes as you round the mark were the burst of energy like someone hitting a six and taking a wicket in a Cricket Test used to be. It grew on you, and judging by the amount of non boat people right up to the early 2000's that would watch it, was very popular. However, much like T20 cricket, AC is now just extreme commercialised fast food crap that I wouldn't give a rats backside if I never saw it again, ever.

This is one of my favourite memories on Shapey... and yes, it was 100% worth getting photos😆 I still remember thinking, or maybe even saying out loud "every man for himself! " as she started going over and I scurried over the lifelines onto the side of the hull... not a drop of water on me.... Good times 🤣🤣🤣

I think this is going to be key to the skipper not being charged / getting off. From that article posted above by the previous skipper, it sounds like they have a stability manual for all scenario's, like exactly what sails to have up in what wind strength. I assume much like how most of us know when we need to reef the main, and that we can use the number 1 jib up to X knots, the blade jib up to Y knots, and that you can't (or at least shouldn't) put the A2 up if its blowing dogs of chains, etc. Being a 460 tonne yacht, instead of just letting the crew see what she can handle, the d

look at the unlockable saloon doors and the large cutout on side deck ?

the definition of rich man racing. No technical or operational relevance at all to the boating population, and boring as batshit to watch. F1 had this problem for a while and fixed it with technical limitations, but they had the advantage of 10 competitors, 20 vehicles at any one time. Yachts match racing (AC at least) has two competitors, 3km off-shore in a procession. Best you can hope for as an observer is a gear failure or an operator error to liven things up.

Angela said pink.

A paint can of this stuff should do the trick.....

One or more of the crew must have been awake, and can give an account of what happened.. Its all very vague. My guess - heavy alloy mast and keel up, it got knocked down and sat on its side filling up with water.

Yeah i get that, but it’s on a breaker! Flick it left & you’re out of touch. And for us it’s not a choice of being in touch or not. It’s a choice of having 3 months in the tropics on the cat, while checking in with the office now & again, or staying at home? If you don’t want to have a zoom call, don’t have it. I’d have starlink just for the weather. So, 3 months here, or stay home? Mmmm?

Couldn't agree more - it's a opinion everyone has one

Now we just need to ask the Harbourmaster to replace the lights on Northern Leading and Reso. They are so feeble you can barely see them up close.

And since we are updating the solar, a new main distribution board is being built as well. Volt/ammeter and fuse for each solar panel and separate Volt/ammeters for house and start batteries. 20A circuit breaker protects the house supply to the switchboard. Space at the bottom right is for the capstain breaker.

Or the battery you are using is in very poor health.

Anyone that races displacement needs to jettison anything to do with "traditional" yacht racing. These are not yachts as we know them, there are common elements but they are more like low flying aircraft. Apparent wind sailing is nothing new, in the 1800's they were sailing on ice doing 4x wind speed. Current record for ice boats is over 200k's! Foiling simply reduces wetted surface and here we are, its not possible to control these boats without advanced computer systems, in fact they could be sailed without any crew because humans are there for the rules not because the

While the old 12m races were long and slow by comparison, the technical difficulty of sailing them well was demonstrable which made them compelling viewing for the purist but not much so for the novice. I think the catamaran version took viewer engagement to another level for both novice and purist But these boats are hardly worth watching. We can't see what's going on and can't appreciate the tech or tactics. The graphics on screen are uninformative and commentators don't know much about sailing. Mostly it's about watch who wins the start and then wait for the next race. But

Trying to race when there is not enough wind for both competitors to foil has ruined it for me.

Just like Auckland, this whole format is a joke.

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I think the stability requirements are the classification society requirements, not the requirements as per the laws of physics to keep it afloat. I know it is only a song, but it does remind me of the esteemed and highly regarded data by one Mr Frederick Dagg, that the boat met the minimum crewing requirements, of one, and had very stringent design and materials requirements. No cardboard. No cardboard derivatives... Jokes aside, the only plausible explanation I can think of for a boat like that sinking in a water spout is that it was laid flat, exceeded it's AVS and capsized

The only source for these numbers seems to be a single FT article and we know that the media is very good at getting things wrong. According to the orc database, it is 115degrees and the ship held a Category 0 rating, so the ship was rated to sail anywhere in the world in any weather.

The resene marine shield paint is the answer. Makes them look like new again.

Agree with your sentiment K, or as I understand it. To move away from geopolitics and into media and advertising, the reason we are in thrall with this is that we are fed it. I'd expect interest on a site like crew or anarchy, but the wider interest globally is the result of media selling advertising. Nothing else. There is no deep public interest in the narrow subject area of "billionaires dying in unusual circumstances". There is, however, a fatburg of schadenfreude and celebrity fascination that makes this stuff a goldmine for ratings.

It can't have been pushed past 90 degrees by any amount of wind. If any boat goes to that it should not sink.

Desperately trying to chuck the skipper under the bus for obvious reasons, but without knowledge of the design keelgate is just that- wild speculation and throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. The boat will have been built under class society regulations which adds a bit more spice to the stability argument. Typically lifting keel cruising boats have most of their ballast internally or in the stub for stability reasons with the lowering board for windward performance but until design data is released its just speculation at this stage if its position contributes to the capsize.

All this talk about the keel being up being the cause... maybe we leave that speculation for those who understand the GZ moment for this particular vessel. Many shallow draft vessels have the ballast in a small keel or even have the ballast completely inboard such as the Boreals or Koopmans and are designed to still have a great positive righting moment. Some even recomend sailing down wind with sails up and centerboard or keel all or partly raised. I would say keel up for this vessel in this situation is perfectly normal.

In a past life I was up the back of the Amazon on a wee adventure. After having a nice cool and freshening swim in the river (The Rio Negro), our guide asked if we wanted to go Piranha fishing for the rest of the afternoon. We were a little perplexed, as there was only one river around that we knew of, the one we were just swimming in... It did explain why the guide discretely checked with the ladies of the group that they weren't at 'that time of the month' before going swimming though. In hindsight he did also check none of us had grazes or cuts that might bleed when we were swimmi

I'm just going to have a little cry.

This story is full of ???. An 56 metre super yacht sinking at anchor during the celebration of the owner being acquitted from a fraud case whilst in the same weekend the co defendant gets run over while jogging.

And windage. How much crap do you carry on deck.

Each to their own, but personally being so connected to the online world via Starlink when sailing is just one step too far to me. When I go sailing I want to escape all that, not have MS team meetings. That's just me, I respect people that use their time onboard differently and I will probably find that in a few years I am in the minority.

OK costs, special price from JB hifi, about $350, but even normally only about $400. We bought a tricky quick detach mount from Starmount, so 2 bolts & it’s off & onto the camper van. That was the most expensive part, but a normal Starmount flat mount is about $500-$600 US. There’s probably other options there, and I have seen them just stuck in a rod holder, but our flat mount makes it only about 60mm high on the cabin top. And removes the tracking motors, so it uses less power. Then talk to Island Time, (Matt) about your installation. We added a Predict Wind data hub,

Get rid of the vsr and parallel switch? jumper leads??? 🥴 some of the things you suggest might be considered ‘best practice’ by some, but I think on simple boats are unneccesary, over complicated and more expensive for little gain. My basic yacht go to is vsr, start, house and parallel (plus winch etc) switches (better yet BEP’s new(ish) 772-DBC), and ideally a smart alt. reg if within the budget. I routinely get 10 years out of the good brand of AGM’s I prefer to use, that’s with combined charging via the vsr. All programmable charging set for the house bank.

It would depend on the product, if the VSR is deisgned to connect to batteries you'd have to test it to see - it needs to get it's logic power from one side or the other... Depending on what you want to do, the voltage might not always come up to trigger value immediately, if it's a charging source, eg a very drained house battery could result in the alternator outputting less than 13.4v for several hours. Addtionally when the load comes on it could drop the voltage output causing the vsr to disconnect. Better to use an ignition on source, or maybe the alternator charge lamp if you

No cones needed , fatigue and the ports of Auckland light show did a fine job of putting us in a muddle .

Many thanks to Neil for talking us across the finish line . We were knackered and couldn’t see it from 100 meters away and mistook the strobe for a roadworks truck on tamaki drive .

Looks mint for the Committee Boat. For us, not so much......

I would hope every sailmaker makes sails measured to exactly fit your boat….