MrWolf

The bottom laminate will go from deck chine to deck chine across the bottom centreline in one piece. the deck laminate will go from deck chine to deck chine across the deck centreline in one piece. there will be rebates at the deck chine to allow for the extra laminate thickness. Will be hand laid, as everything is so light a bit of extra resin will help stop it bruising.

Around 12000 hits so far, the first ama is nearly done now. The biggest disadvantage of building in the batten mould is supposed to be the additional weight of bog required to get the hulls fair, but I'll tell you what, this is going to need next to no filler, it is fantastically fair. The trick is to get the foam to properly sit in the mould. Photos of the second ama will just be to show overall progress rather than all the very fine detail. I think there are a few more photos on their way soon

Great day yesterday, we joined the two halves. Went very well and got to see the new beasty for the first time. Is spectacularly fair ! Very light also to lift the "heavy" side with the structure in it. Thanks very much guys for all your help, would have been a real mission with less help. I slept like a baby after taking out how ever many screws lying on a mechanics creeper

Its already off. If you don't already know, the very reason you use green tape is that comes off easily, intact, even if its been in the sun a few days.

Update Ama 1 is ready to be glued together (joined) on Sunday. very exciting to see the beast for the first time

Prediction 1: timberwolf will not nosedive again Prediction 2: will be faster in a straight line in over 12 knots of breeze Hope: Top speed will exceed 30 knots

Actually you are directly asking about the financial arrangements seen as how they are based on the number of hours. Tim C, Gary and I would all like to sell another set of amas off this mould. Me so I can recover a bit of my mould costs. Tim C so he can get a royalty payment to offset his hours on my design. Gary so he can recover some of the jigging, mould work, etc. To get more work off this Gary has to quote. That needs to be a private arrangement between him and his prospective client. The example of Internet discussions surrounding berths at Westhaven may be a case in poi

No sam. Gary runs a business building boats. I have made an arrangement with Gary to build me two amas. He has agreed to that for a certain price. It is costing me what I expected and it is taking him the time that we both expected. It is not the place to discuss private arrangements online. Your estimate is a long long way over the top.

yeah Yeah what ever. apart from that glitch, we are bang on the new budget which is a little under $4k over the original one. Move on!

Hmmn, your a nosey prick at times. 1. We will have holes to put a long reach bilge pump right down. 2. A few holes and a few inspection hatches but nothing clever. Dampness is not a huge problem though as there is no plywood or wood that can rot. 3. We are bang on budget at this stage and I'm hoping to have both the amas ready to join onto the beams in 6 weeks time from now. So far the build has taken 9 weeks. 4. We have allowed 25kg per ama to laminate and join together but it looks like that won't quite be enough.

that is a sheer web. A horizontal carbon and foam web which won't bend on edge, as its glassed at its edges. designed to stop the bow breaking off sideways. the amas are kept totally empty, there is no room in them for much at all and are only accessible via inspection ports. There is no side to side movement possible as the beams are pinned to the deck sockets. While it would be very complicated to make it work the idea of being able to slide the amas in and out is probably a very good one. But my head is too thick to work out so I will keep that bit simple !

New rudder out of mould.

So with visits by Tim C and Phil today its a wonder Gary can get any work done !

it would be a major if we ended up with 2x ports, and no starboard, or both boards going the same way !

More structure but at a much lighter weight. No stringers or bits of cedar at 45 degrees. Most of the bulkheads are the same but this time foam and carbon instead of ply and its doublers. The Web is a "Clissold" special and is due to a very long fine bow. Boat is coming along very well and is pretty much bang on budget and schedule.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear ! Squid Squid squid, Philips ahh yes, along with a few others broke off their bows, Tim Clissold designed the bow structure to not need the front beam But I don't know of any ## input in this design, but we have to find out from Tim Clissold if he copied ## (Tim, please say it isn't so, Please !) I should say there is always a canine connection with this boat so I see my role as more a dog breeder and dog trainer at this time, and later if Wolfie is good he will get to go for walks !

Squid Is it true you stumbled across the new amas to timberwolf yesterday on your travels ? if so what did you think ? any truth to the rumour that seeing this has put you off proas for ever ?

if there is a boat on the planet that throws more spray around than sundreamer we just have to get it back sailing again. it must be an awesome sight 1

The discussions begun on the model tri thread are really good. There are a lot of people out there who are unaware of the complexities and considerations that are involved in putting a tri together.

"my calculations were based on a normal configuration, not a three hull in "piver" configuration." Sam, that really rather cheeky comparing Timberwolf with a Piver. Maybe you need to take a look at racetrack and see how far behind the nearest Piver is ? Also you haven't performed any "calculations" at all, you never started with enough information, instead you have made some wildly inaccurate random statements. Anyway the basis of the discussion is all good so i'll have a crack at answering some of your points. "Im suprised you would optimise your boat so heavily for reaching and upw

I don't think we are going to need that if the amas are stiff enough on their own.

Thanks for that. Part of the never end search for sponsorship, costs a lot to run a programme like this..... the basic hull laminate is 200 gm Carbon Cloth Inside laminate at 45 degrees, 80 kg density foam, and 500 gm laminate outside, at 0/90. There is additional laminate in the way of bulkheads and the foil case.

Just got the laminate over the chainplate pin finished and have biffed the two chainplate bulkheads in the autoclave. Hopefully it will behave itself in there tonight. The chainplates themselves are 3.3mm thick carbon laminate and only 100mm wide and 200mm long and good for well over 10 tonnes. Its great stuff this Carbon !

Yes I am hoping this thread will be useful in offering lots of little tips and ideas along the way.