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  1. 50 minutes ago, Tamure said:

    I get all that, especially for a new private development that needs ROI, but still for a place like Westhaven its printing money.

    Correct, it's been paid for about 4 times now.

    1 hour ago, SloopJohnB said:

    Just more than "me"😉

    Again correct, I'm only one of a team, a very diverse team. With this specific Rakino scrap, there are a few on, it was a couple of concerned clubs, PCC and GHYC, who went in and have since joined with and are running with it under the AYBA banner.

    Submissions lodged, hearings shortly.

    Obviously there are other objectors as well.

    If you get pissed off at least make a submission against things. It is not hard, can only take 10min and doesn't have to be complex or use big wanky words, being 'authentic', whatever that means, is the new black 😕. You don't have to go to hearings if you don't want, general there will be a lead mob or 3 who will and their positions are reinforced by other submissions, the more there are the more support they can throw at the commissioners, commissioners who do take things like that into consideration.

  2. Sorry to disappoint you but they will be dredging. It's a shallow bay and the Waiheke set don't do little people boats so they need depth.

    2 minutes ago, Fish said:

    Swing moorings can bugger up a bunch of good playgrounds.

    So you submitted against the new ones the rich lister on the point is trying to put in at Rakino so he can increase the price of his subdivison?

    While you should have, weight of numbers do count occasionally, we have submitted and will be attending the hearings on your behalf.

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  3. 7 hours ago, BOIGuy said:

    That water pump excluding freight was nearly 500% up from NZ agents price, what world do they think they are living in?

    Ask them. Often we have no idea about pricing comparisons and work on what's suggested or we're told 'is about there and you'll be OK'. Also if the master Sth Pac agent, as too many are, is in Aussie they are known to take the piss when pricing to NZ. We had a case so I got up the Aussies who said f*ck off so I went direct to the manufacturer and had a bleat. In the bleat I was told, and this is very common, 'We have a NZ distributor', when asked where they say 'Sydney'. Then they hear me say, if they are a US manufacturer, "You Canadians are f**king sh*t at geography, why's that?". The reply is usually a fast 'We are Americans, don't call us Canadians" to get back equally fast "We're NZers, stop calling us f**king Australians'. 9 out of 10 times they simply don't know and when they do often they will adjust to suit.

    Had one some years back where I asked a Taiwanese manufacturer for a price on some shackles. The came back saying '$XYZ each, minimum order quantity 20,000'. I replied '20,000 is like 10 years supply fr NZ, can we do smaller'. They replied 'But you are a big country surely you use more than that??'. I went back saying 'Not really, our entire population is 50% of the just city your in''. The response was awesome "Dear Sir, we apologise as we have looked at a map and realised the big Island we thought was part of New Zealand is actually called Australia. For a small country NZ sure does make a lot of noise. Is 1000 MOQ OK?'

    We are a long way from anywhere and at the end of the chain so in many situations we are price takers so like it or go elsewhere.

    Computers are great for pulling up prices. My lads do it all day but do they know if that is a current price? On some of the slower moving products it often isn't......and before everyone dives into 'up up up', about 3 hours ago I noticed some stage in the last 2 months a top down furler we do has dropped about US$70. But for a very good valid reason, we are changing systems, the price the lads will pull up if asked is the old price.

    I'd tell them. I'd like to know what they say if you do. I'd hope they express surprise and irritation rather than be dicks.

    8 hours ago, bigal.nz said:

    Spin Lock 3 point tether - Burnsco and others = $179 you can get it from Monkeys Fist website in Australia for $90. Thats almost 50% cheaper. Even with conversion and shipping its still much cheaper.


    Could it be MF are a online drop shipper who has none of the costs Burnsco has? Could it be MF uses a cunning marketing ploy of listing items at a hell price knowing they can't supply. The listed price them becomes a marketing tool, and it can be a very effective one, but being set intentional low to give punters the idea if that price is low then the rest should be as well....but often aren't. NZ has a couple of sites that do that very same thing and it does work.

    Can you buy one of those tethers off MF today? Nope.

    Can you buy one at Burnsco? Yeap.

    Have you fallen for cunning marketing? Quite possibly.



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  4. 2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

    No way in heck would I ever hold up a magnesium flare on a pitching boat as it drips molten metal,

    Either you had a defective flare or have been listening to the 1950's. If a flare did drip anything combustible as you describe it fails Certification and can't be sold as a flare.


  5. Selling by trashing the competition and not on the merits of the product you're trying to sell tends to happen for a reason. A big one being the competition is genuine competition for very good valid reason/s.

    Having read this thread and owning 11 outboards (a life of acquisitions and what comes with them but zero disposals) I am having serious issues trying to line up what's being said in this thread with my real life experiance, in fact I just can't.

    Sell the products on their own merits. If those merits are as good as the claims then the products will sell themselves.

    Just sayin.......

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  6. 2 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:

    taken me four pages to finally figure out that these are not the bright flares you are looking for... (to paraphase Obi Wan)


    To quote a wise Australian Poet, Mick Dundee

    You call those colourful flares?

    now these are colourful flares




    Sorry and Yes I was taking the piss when putting wise in the same sentence as Australian.


  7. Some small useless POS not dissimilar to what most boats in Cat anything in NZ already have hanging on their transom. It says it's approved, but then so do many about many things that aren't quite when you drill down into the fine print. I never saw them as much more than a gimmick so never take much notice bar at that approval bit as it generated a huge WTF??

    2 hours ago, Fish said:

    Was you laser flare certified, or just a good working one? I am interested, according to Angus, I can do what is sensible and not what the YNZ Regs say, so may be able to get rid of the pyro's after all... ;-)


    You're wasting your time and money even thinking about getting one for the boating you do. I've waved mine around the Gulf many over the last 5 or so years. It has not even raised a passing comment let alone sparked even the tiniest of tiny anything emergency. If you get one the only hope you have it will help in some form is to bang the eyes of the pilots of an inbound aircraft. They should ring the cops to get you arrested as that is both very dangerous and an offence, that should get Doodledar out to you at some stage...if they have nothing more pressing going on. 

    I got it to do only that but when offshore. At 10,000m altitude if I can get it into the cockpit the pilots will see it and hopefully want to know where it's coming from. Should that aircraft I'm targeting then change course I'll bang off some chutes. The laser flare could be a kid with a laser pointer, all be it a fecking flash one, but no one I know (maybe bar one ;) ) would mistake what a chute is telling them.

  8. 2 hours ago, Fish said:

    You are spot on the money that a good torch would cover it KM. I think the real issue is the disconnect between the standards and real life, and the cost to a manufacturer of achieving compliance and certification with a standard. I'm sure you can relate with chains and stuff.

    Oh hell yes. Certification in the commercial space is a frecking nitemear but a lot of that is due to MNZ being still firmly sat in the 90's.

    I know a anchor manufacturer who spent over 30K to get one of their products 'Approved'. That approval makes zero difference to how it works, it just says it does to a degree...a high degree in that particular case.

    2 hours ago, Fish said:

    The cost of getting the certificate adds so much to the cost of the product, that consumer look at what is otherwise just a posh torch, and bulk at the cost. Those costs would not be far off getting an electronic transmitting device with direct link to authorities (i.e. a PLB). If I were going to spend $400 on a laser flare, or $500 on the latest spec PLB, I'd get the PLB, it has a cool strobe light on it anyway...

    My laser flare* cost US$100 odd from memory.

    I can see situations where a device that was a combination of gear would be very damn handy. An integrated EPIRP with electronic flare plus pyro. Boat goes down, device is triggered sending alert to SAR via EPIRP. Assets get deployed to the general area. As we have seen getting close is easy but narrowing down that last few miles has proven tricky so by some mechanism (the SAR asset using a remote triggering would be damn handy) the pyro chute/s are fired giving the asset a course but finer location, asset gets closer and triggers the electronic flare giving fine tuned location. All the time if the distressed see other eyes, maybe a boat or aircraft, they can trigger the close in options.

    * - More a super fancy laser pointer that send a wide beam not just a point. Great Lakes Resuce Flare or a similar name. I have stood on the cliffs by Taka Grammar and waved it in a eastward direction. A mate on Rakino picked it out in seconds and said it was incredibly easy to pick it out against all the background city lights. I intend to use it to light up overhead aircraft, it is safe on eyes at that distance.

  9. 1 hour ago, Fish said:

    In my view that flares are not a lot different to carrying a steel bucket and tar, to light a smokey fire to signal distress.

    That explains it all, your knowledge of modern flares is woefully lacking. It's no wonder your view of them is so WTF.

    As I have had quite a bit of experience with them I can very easily see the big easy cheap value they can provide in some situations. Which is the same experiance that tells me in many places up the NE coast my phone is useless and I need something to fill that gap.


  10. There is one SOLAS approved electronic flare. It's just a small flashing light that sits bugger all above the water. You'd be better off with just a bloody good touch.

    In a world near drowning in tech that would suggest there is no boater demand for them, no regulatory demand for them so the potential manufacturers see no value in making them.

    That does surprise me to be honest. You'd think if you can get a collar that measurers your cats pooh for assorted stuff, true story, you'd expect someone clever clogs to come up with a good reliable form of electronic flare device. 

  11. 12 hours ago, Theseus said:

    Plenty of Noelex 22s sailing in the South Island. Many have had major spruce ups and are better and faster than new. It's not about having the fastest 22 footer it's more about having good class racing. My 22 however is only there to make the others look good!

    Gezz dude that's a huge call saying it's about the racing not just speed. You're risking a pile on by the AC fanatics with that crazy talk ;)

    But you are right, it's about the quality of the race and if it's up there what speed it happens at it pretty much irrelevant.

    Good to see a lot of interest and action out there in the 22ft area. Maybe it is time to celebrate it more?????

  12. 12 hours ago, Fish said:

    You keep on forgetting your phone KM. The number isn't complicated. It starts and ends with a one, and has a one in the middle.

    Alternatively you can just try *500, and get CG straight away, you know, of you just need a tow or something.

    Are you priming that spade for a big weekend in the garden?

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  13. 34 minutes ago, Fish said:

    If you did the same at 3 am on a night that was a bit rainy and windy, how many people would have seen it? In Arkle

    Probably a very similar number to those who would hear you on VHF at 3am.
    Assuming yours was working, like mine was 24hrs before I need to use it in vengeance to find..... opps, it suddenly wasn't.

    It appears where we differ is I'm not willing to gamble on my or my crews lives for a measly $100 but you are.

    and we're back to horse for courses.

    It happened about an hour after sunset.


  14. 48 minutes ago, Fish said:

    Yeah, but KM, if you were sinking in Arkles Bay, you probably would have been able to walk ashore...

    None of that explains why I should be compelled to carry flares.

    The flares I saw were on Bastile Day, whilst off the Channel Islands (France). Triangulated to the local port. I've never heard of a flare being used in anger. Best example is yachts offshore, that have activated an EPIRB, rescue vessel is approaching, contact on VHF, so the yacht sets off a flare to get a visual. Great for Cat 1. We could argue for Cat 3, but Cat 4 & 5? Seriously?

    You must be a sh*t load lot taller than me.

    No one is compelling you carry pyros but many think those that don't are dumbarses.

    Horses for courses dude so mid ocean pyros could have issues exactly like VHF does in some bays we use like Arkles. That's why those who aren't dumbarses carry a full inventory for uses in as many situations as possible.

  15. Celebrate the 22, no matter what shape it is, so B22 works just as much as N22.

    On thinking about it I should have picked up on that, its not like you gave me photographic evidence is it..... errr, Opps ;)

  16. 33 minutes ago, L00seM00se said:

    There's 4 or 6 in our TS compound, most are regular use. They get a great handicap rating too ;)

    Do you think you and the others there could be schmoozed into a event which would find which N22 is the fastest in the known Galaxy?

    Then to find which 22fter is the fastest of all 22fters in the known Galaxy?

    I've been co-opted again for a tribe of plywood 22's so I've been thinkin ;)

  17. 1 hour ago, Fish said:

    PS, if you are in distress on Bastille Day, you are fucked if you think someone is going to respond to a flare....

    YES they will and they can inside 60 seconds, even if you are parked in Arkles Bay on Guy Fawkes night which is a proven real life Fact. 

    Coast Guard got calls within 1 minute of the pyro being fired off by some muppets on Arkles bay beach. Responses came in from as far as Waiheke Island, out the end of the Pennisular and Tiri passage... all of which would have had full Guy Fawkes as their backgrounds.

    And to correct your post even further (facts are facts sorry) when the pyro went off I could hear the calls to CG some stating a boat was sinking in Arkles Bay. There was only one boat in there at the time, a 930 called Suburban Reptile which had come up for the WBC solo race the following day (one it went on to win line and H/C ;) ). As it's wise hansom intelligence and all round fantastic guy of an owner thought at the time 'sh*t, we don't need a fleet of response to save the 930 that was perfectly fine, he better get hold of CG and let them know the pyro was fired by some land based muppets not anyone in distress'. So the wise gent jumped on the hard wired VHF...WTF, no responses so it can't be transmitting even though it passed a radio check with CG the previous day (turned out a later suss found a wire had busted 1/2 way up the mast) so he jumped onto the handheld. Finally after climbing up on to the boom trying to get enough height for it to reach CG he got enough to tell them not to send a response fleet to Arkles, everything is fine but send cops to the beach instead. About 4-5 minute a plod car arrived lights flashing but the muppets had left the scene.  

    • So you can fire off a pyro on Guy Fawkes and be seen, they are very very different than fireworks so it is very easy to differentiate between them.
    • If you put all reliance on fixed VHF you better hope like hell sh*t hasn't just happen or in that moment of need it you just may find it doesn't work. I've fired off 40-50 odd pyros with a 100% activation rate, even if one fizzed for a very uncomfortable too many seconds before firing but then it was 18 years old.
    • Putting heavy reliance in handhelds close in shore can lead to time delays while you run around trying to get reception well enough to get distance. NZ's coastline is not line of site VHF friendly in it's geography with many popular boating spot being behind hills.

    Would a phone have been better? Quite possibly but mine is always turned off when aboard so by the time it's fired up then a search for the number to call and then do it, if any drama aboard is big and fast, have you run out of time?

    EPIRB, a incorrect use of it for that situation and again time delays mean it could be all over by the time someone gets there.

    Sat Ph, same as cell phone except at a lot more cost.

    Even with things working against it the pyro did attract attention and a lot of it some from a long way off. It worked exactly as it is supposed to, the fact it was triggered incorrectly in that case is another story.

    So leave pyros at home and rely just on Tech if you like, all that tells me is you don't value your or your crews life anywhere near as highly as I do. 

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  18. 51 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said:

    Same kill-joys that want to ban fireworks...

    The bastards.

    3 minutes ago, Fish said:

    Oh, oh, can I comment? can I comment? ;-)

    Actually, I might save my energy. I need to do some work so I can pay for the flares I've got that are expiring again next month...

    Just think of it as one of the cheapest of the many subscriptions you have got. Or if that doesn't do it for you just remember these numbers

    Cat 1 offshore Flare pack - cost $210.00 or $4.35 per month over their 'allowed' lifetime. They will work long after you're told they won't. 

    Satellite ph minimum CONNECTION ONLY cost - the best I've found so far is a monthly access fee alone of $65 or a '50 min pack- at A$510 which you need to commit to for at least 3 months.

    Luckily you have Pyros or you'd never be able to afford to see your family ;)

  19. They must have a far superior VHF, Phone and Comms in general up there than we get here. Many phones can't get you from North Head to Gt Barrier....comment made by watching Akl-Tga trackers showing - dropped out - showing again  - dropped out again - repeat.

    If NZ can burn 1000's of tonnes of carbon rich tires a year and it is regard as environmentally friendly then zapping a tiny number of flares is not a issue.....unless someone needs it to be of course.

    Whose doing the pushing W, can you see?

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  20. Does anyone know if there is a Nolex 22 Association or similar and can aim me at it?

    What other 22ft yachts are there in any numbers?

    Pied Pipers

    L Class

    Nolex 22

    what others?

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