Ash makes me feel better having company with my error. Do so know what your saying re the male to male issues. Years back I put up many thousands on a motor bike, I paid right there and then, still the manager did not considered I was the person to be spoken to. Bad mistake, never been near that bike shop again. Yep, almost every time a winner with my boat it goes without saying, even when the male as you say has no idea or interest in the boat. Makes me mad as well and not inclined to want to continue any association. Guys, take note who owns the boat and pays the bills. This is a g