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Hi guys!!

 

So, after asking for advises on here a while ago about what kind of new boat to get, I have decided it will be a Pogo 12.50.

I got in touch with the guys there in France and they don't have any dealer elsewhere in the World, they only sale from their port, so I have to sail the boat from Europe to NZ.

At first, this thought was a bit intimidating but finally got more and more exciting, especially since a friend of mine wants to do the trip too.

 

As far as my experience go, I have never sailed such a long distance.

I grew up sailing on a 30 footer in the south of France, went to Balearic islands 4/5 times following the coast, etc

I also did Antibes (South of France) to Corsica (island south of France) on a Hobie Cat Tiger...not sure if it counts but it was a great experience on such a small cat.

 

As far as his experience go, he is a kitesurfer mate.

 

Anyway, so we are planning this for around end of july and stopping/visiting interesting places, and we need to choose which route to go by in order to reach NZ:

- Crossing the Atlantic, Panama, Galapagos, Marquesas Islands, French Polynesia, Fiji, New Caledonia and NZ.

- Crossing Biscay, Gibraltar, Balearic Island, Antibes, Scicilia, Greece, Cyprus, Suez, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Sri Lanka...West Sumatra (avoid busy Malacca Strait), Australia, New Caledonia and NZ.

 

To me, I prefer going East so we are "closer" to the coast in case of issues and it's less boring than long distance crossing.

But I'm worried about Suez Canal and after...With all the incidents happening with pirates from Somalia. Not sure if staying close to Saudi Arabia and then Yemen is the way to go safely.

 

So for those who did this kind of cruise, I'm after any opinions/advises!!

 

Cheers guys

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Did my first offshore cruise at 60yo, from Dominican Republic, Atlantic side, to NZ. Just me and a never sailed before traveller, had a great time, auto pilot broke a week out of Panama so steered the

I would definitely go west about, faster, more comfortable and safer. Further from the coast is safer than close to the coast - sometimes hard for newbies to get their head around but true. Think of an aeroplane, it is safer at 30,000 feet than at 1000 feet coz it's further from the hard stuff so more time to react.

 

And that's before any political or piracy considerations.

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Easiest route is through panama of course- if you have money and time to wait to get through there-

Then it's a bunch of milk runs really- but big pacific to cross 4o days I imagine- And then play the weather and seasons from island to island..

 

However - I like exciting - sooo

I would go down the West coast of Africa - port to port .. If you have time to catch the weather- not super easy sailing but doable and very interesting-

It's a bit of a beat from St Helena to Cape Town but after that - it's quite nice hopping around the southern South Africa ( cheap) up the east coast ( sh*t hot kite surfing) -

Up to Richards Bay...

Then across to reunion - Maldives - Sri Lanka - Thailand - Malaysia - indo - ( bit dodge) Aussie over the top or back around the West coast to Freemantle- Albany ( the cape can be a pain but catch the windows)

Albany to adelaide to Melbourn ( all good kiting ) - catch windows through Bass- up the East coast of Aussie - then sling across from Sydney -

 

Or over the top- I'm not sure the deal from there..

 

Guess it depends on when and how much time you have to wait on weather windows and seasons -

 

Check jimmy Carnell cruising routes - used that some time ago and had great info for planning routes -

 

Omg how I wish I could be doing that..

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Open crossings are yip safer in terms of can't crash - but anything else it can be tough- gear failure - sick people-

Wears you down to the bone- no catching weather windows-

7 meter seas and 70 knots of wind...

You just gota deal with that mother...

Long crossing are relentless unless you are good with your mind- tired and shattered or not there is no stopping- broken things demand your attention and your 'fix it with nothing' stills should be quite high..

 

Port to port you can rest till you and weather ready- you can experience crazy people and places and enjoy fresh food:)

You pick up crew along the way and get help ..

Fix stuff - etc etc...

Both have advantages- shorter trips let you enjoy more, are you not so shattered all the time-

Long distance sailing very tough on 2 if you keeping proper watches etc ! Not as easy as people think -

Turns you crazy short handed! Watch out ;)

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Thanks a lot guys!!!

 

Ok so I'm gonna start planning the stops for the west Route then.

Again, if any advises..more than welcome!!

 

The Pogo 12.50 is fast (Class 40 hull and very decent sails area) so hopefully it wouldn't be as long and boring...

 

Also, for those who did sail long distances:

What are the little things that you wish you had taken with you because all of the sudden you needed them or would have make your life easier?

How to sail at night? Auto pilot or taking watches?

Is there any way to get internet by satellite or something?

 

Thx!!

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Thanks a lot guys!!!

 

Ok so I'm gonna start planning the stops for the west Route then.

Again, if any advises..more than welcome!!

 

Stop off in Cuba - the food, the music, the sailing, the girls all fantastic

 

The Pogo 12.50 is fast (Class 40 hull and very decent sails area) so hopefully it wouldn't be as long and boring...

 

I did Panama to Tahiti in 33 days in a Cav 32, you should thrash that. Another two weeks and you're home - assuming you are in delivery mode rather than cruise mode. The Atlantic part 21-28 days. I'd leave Europe around beginning November, winter in the Caribbean and head to Tahiti/NZ March/April/May

 

Also, for those who did sail long distances:

What are the little things that you wish you had taken with you because all of the sudden you needed them or would have make your life easier?

 

Chocolate/a good woman

 

How to sail at night? Auto pilot or taking watches?

 

You will want an autopilot no matter what else. One of the most important pieces of kit on the boat. Since you will be in France suss out an NKE?, best I've ever come across. Expect it to do ALL the steering. Two up with a decent autopilot is very comfortable and relaxing.

 

 

Is there any way to get internet by satellite or something?

 

What for? Take plenty of books.

 

Thx!!

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Oooo

I'd go do a crossing before you take it on-

How much and what kind of sailing have you done?

If you in Auckland Id be happy to meet you.. Chat about stuff..

Sounds like you have a lot to learn before you go unless you asking those questions by the by..

Either route there is some serious sailing ! And the pacific not great if you not hot on nav and have a lot of gut feel in what the elements are saying- or experienced in reading them- lots of uncharted ground-

 

Each subjects you ask need time .. And depends on numbers, time sailing route etc etc

You will skipper?

What study and nav have you done?

How many miles is your longest sail?

Have you tried to get down a stuck headsail I'm 40+ knots?

Have you experience and knowledge on Deisle engines?

A good plan for jury rig - or sailing with no engine if it fails-

Bla bla bla ..

Just a few considerations

 

Not saying don't do it if you have not got all this experience...

Just saying prepare and get some experience before you do it.

 

There is a lot to consider- on 28-32 foot you can wing a lot - 40 foot .. When sh*t goes wrong - it can go very wrong-

Bringing 40 foot in with no engine ie is not easy unless you know your stuff-

When all is going well yea piece if piss-

But it does not always go well and it's then you must know your stuff ..

 

Don't know if you do or not... Just saying

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And sh*t yea!!!! Make sure you take SAT comms or SSB and know how to use them ! Sat comm is cheap and easy to send email- from laptop! If you keep it small and text-

You can send regular texts and I think in the north connection or coverage good-is not hard at all ! SSB expensive to set up Internet but you can-

 

Both allow you to get GRIB files which is raw weather data- if you don't know how to read and get this- learn it!

Along with your barometer that predicts your navigation and over long distanc s can save you huge!

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