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First yacht day dreams : Cavalier 32 or similar for offshore cruising


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Hi,

I'm new to this game, and am learning to sail my little laser while I keep a lookout for a keeler - something a bit drier. Not in a mad rush, but here's the wishlist..

  1. Must be a suitable first keeler.
  2. Handle offshore conditions well - I day dream of heading offshore to the South Seas in 3 years when I know what I'm doing - Hauraki Gulf, Bay of Islands, Mercury Islands before that.
  3. Must still be some fun to sail - I'll probably do a bit of social racing just for the crack of it.
  4. Has to be easy enough to singlehand.
  5. Budget 30K - 40K depending on what needs updating to get me through the first few years. 
  6. GRP Hull - I love timber, but don't want the maintenance overhead.
  7. Decent cabin for liveaboard or longer cruising for 1 or 2 people..

Cavalier 32 seems to fit the budget and wishlist.  I just had a squiz at  Conquero in Westhaven today and the cabin space seemed good (though I don't have much basis for comparison).

Any other models that might suit my budget/wishlist?

Finally, any body know of any Cavalier 32s that are active in Auckland area that I might be able to get out on? I'll bring the beers/rum/smoothies etc :)

Thanks in advance...

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Welcome aboard. The Cav 32 is a good boat. I'm sure you'll get lots of replies, but on a fine weekend it might not be until Monday! What you are planning is certainly achievable. Be careful and thorough in your inspection of your preferred vessel, and make sure you get a survey!

 

There are not a lot of 32 footers I'd go offshore in, but the cav 32 is one!

 

Good luck with your search, and post your prospective vessels up here if you want some comments!

Cheers

Matt

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  1. Must be a suitable first keeler Yes, very suitable - although bigger and heavier than some other options, which means more physical input than some smaller or lighter alternatives.

  2. Handle offshore conditions well - I day dream of heading offshore to the South Seas in 3 years when I know what I'm doing - Hauraki Gulf, Bay of Islands, Mercury Islands before that. Excellent offshore, very stiff and seaworthy. They can handle at least 90 knots offshore, I know that.
  3. Must still be some fun to sail - I'll probably do a bit of social racing just for the crack of it. Good fun, especially upwind when it freshens up. A lot of the racing fun is a matter of finding similar yachts to sail against, regardless of how fast or slow they are.
  4. Has to be easy enough to singlehand. They are very powerful for their size and well balanced, which gives you a lot of flexibility. They can hold on to sail extremely well if the wind suddenly gets up. Even a #3 genoa in 40 knots is possible at a pinch.
  5. Budget 30K - 40K depending on what needs updating to get me through the first few years. Prices vary a lot, and do not always reflect underlying value. Spec levels did vary a bit depending on what options were selected. Sails, engines and other hardware will have different amounts of life remaining, and can be costly to replace. You need to research carefully, to determine final cost after any changes needed to make it into something that suits you. It is a buyers market with plenty to choose from. Your budget sounds realistic.
  6. GRP Hull - I love timber, but don't want the maintenance overhead. Just be careful to avoid anything with osmosis.
  7. Decent cabin for liveaboard or longer cruising for 1 or 2 people.. It is possible to spend a few weeks with 5 aboard. Should be very comfortable for 1 or 2. The high stability and fairly slow motion helps make life on board more comfortable.
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Much appreciated folks. Very useful and also reassuring that the Cav 32 looks a good match for my wishlist. 8 years and 30000 miles says a whole lot Black Panther, and it certainly seems capable of handing bad conditions - hopefully I'll be too. Thanks for the specifics Unicorn.

For the racing - I'm on Waiheke Island, so a small but friendly club - but once I get going, I could always head to town if I want a bigger field or year round racing.

 

There are a few prospects on trademe that I'll look into further..

Red Baron in Waikawa seems pretty well set up and has the taller rig

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-638278678.htm

Sovereign in Tauranga looks tidy too

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-813393832.htm

Here's another which doesn't look as flash, but is a bit cheaper and rigging was repaced recently..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-816099709.htm

 

I'll come up with my idea shopping list and see how these compare for the big ticket items (hull condition, engine, sails, rigging and hardware), but reality is that I don't know what I don't know, and I'll be relying on specialists (surveyor or diesel mechanic) to do their job well.

 

Anything likely to suit my wishlist other than Cav 32? - Makes it easier if not !

 

Cheers..

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if your budget is 30-40k all up

 

you may be better spending 15-20k on your first keeler and holding the rest for expenses

 

this wouldn't be enough for a good cav32

 

but there are plenty of other 20-30' keelers that will do everything but offshore easier, less stressful + cheaper to get you soloing around the gulf right now 

 

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-847412384.htm

 

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-846852982.htm

 

or maybe this with a brand new engine

 

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-847073581.htm

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I have to agree with erice.

 

Offshore is a quantum leap in terms of experience required, possible risk, Cat 1 standards for the boat (good liferaft alone adds big bucks, not to mention reliable self steering of more than one kind) and backups of backups for most of your systems. I also dreamt of long offshore voyages perhaps single-handed or with small crew. Having done a 32 day trip from Tahiti to Chile, I now would not do an extended voyage with fewer than four crew (for safe and not too tiring watch rotations).  This probably means a bigger boat. Have fun.

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Every person has their own level of acceptable risk that they are comfortable with.

When shorthanded, or single handed, the proper management of fatigue is but one of the things you must manage. Personally I have done, and am likely to continue to do, single handed  passages.

Two handed is often harder - as most crews then try to keep a 24 hour watch, most of the time. This, of course, is not possible single handed. If 2 handed, fatigue in the first few days as you get used to the routine can be difficult. Its easier if both are capable of running the boat, so the other can get decent sleep.

Three is pretty easy, again if all can run the boat. 

4 capable sailors is really easy. IMO. 

 

Also though, IMO, the shorter the crew numbers, the better the electronics I want to help remain safe. That means $. Single handed, I want radar with guard zone and AIS transponder. Others are happy with nothing, but for me, that's not an acceptable risk. There are way more vessels out there now than 50yrs ago!

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Most small (ish) modern designs that were purpose designed to cross oceans are performace boats. So forgiveness for an inexperienced crew might be an issue. The Mini Transats come to mind - small, designed for singlehanding and crossing oceans. NOT a cruising boat! Class 40's are another. Maybe a Pogo 30?? 

All these may frighten a beginner!!

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That being said, There are more production boats out there cruising than anything else. MOST make it home fine. You read of a few issues a year, (with both production and custom boats!) often poorly reported, with little or no background info as to the boat's history. Remember that there are currently over 10,000 boats out of their home countries, cruising, right now. (I can't remember where that figure comes from, so it could be wrong). A late model production boat may have a shorter life span than an older/heavier boat. The engineering has developed to the level where they know how many stress cycles the structure can take, and they design in the expected life. New production boats are stronger, IMO, than most believe, but they can/will deteriorate faster than their older cousins. 

Its a complex subject with much emotional comment. It's hard to get accurate info, if that even exists.  Most read what they can, look around, speak to others, then take their choices!!

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Personally, if it were me unless I was going offshore in the next 2-3  years, I would be looking at something as an interim step more suited to coastal cruising and the odd race. Something like a y88 or Davidson 28 would be a lot more enjoyable to sail than a cav32 for 95% of weather conditions.

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The Cav 32 ticks all your boxes. I had the same list of requirements and the same budget and after a long wait for the right one to come along I finally bought one and have never looked back, I love it. Easy to sail single handed, I do so regularly. Easy to reef the main as it is not too big and roller reefing headsail - easy. Also the rig is extremely well balanced, so much so I can leave the tiller swinging free and steer the boat with sail balance only, this means the autohelm is not working too hard.


If you want to cruise with more than three or four people then the layout is not ideal, ie no separate cabins, however for a couple or small family they are great.


 


A few points I found out along the way:


Cav 32's are susceptible to osmosis, you need to buy one that has had a full bottom grind or if not allow the cost of getting it done, I think its around $25k, more than half your budget so it would have to be a very low purchase price to warrant this option. Some have had osmosis repairs or partial bottom jobs, these yachts may continue to need more repairs. I decided I wanted to buy one that had a new bottom and was lucky to find such a boat.


 


If you can not get all your wish list ticked, then try to prioritise the items that require a high labour content to instal, for example, larger water tanks are not expensive to purchase, but would be a hassle and costly to fit, whereas a chart plotter you can just buy and fit yourself in 30 mins. So aim to get these difficult to fit items already in place then you can add the easy stuff later, even the life raft is easy to fit, so although costly to purchase, you don't need to pay someone to instal it.


 


If possible get a good selection of sails, light wind and stronger wind options, I have 8 sails including 2 spinnakers a MPS, storm sails and different headsails, to my own surprise I use them all (haven't needed the storm sails yet).


 


My yacht is in Marlborough, if you find yourself down this way, please call me I am happy to go out for a sail with you and show you the good and bad.


 


Good luck, Phil.


 


 


 


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Howdy.

I have a mint Cav 32 that is currently on the market.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=905444511&ed=true

Its possibly the best Cavalier in existence.

This price is way more than your wishing to pay but if you could stretch your budget you would not be disappointed.

Any way I'm happy to show you and take for a sail sometime.

Kind Regards

Dean

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