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Yes it appears to have made a pontoon near the eastern entrance its regular sleeping/sun bathing spot

The marina management are bound by the law of the land they have no jurisdiction over that seal or an orca or even a humble parore

They have no obligation to provide passage to your boat due to sealphobia, but they may if you ask nicely :)

Under health and safety they would as you are a paying client.

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Crew.org seems to be the place where the anti-seal rhetoric is focused, out in the real world people either laugh about it or get a thrill from seeing it. Was speaking to someone the other day whose dinghy had a love bite, his attitude was all about fixing it and the seal was just like a naughty 3 year old so better put things up high out of reach

My experience in the "real world" around the yacht clubs and amongst the boating community in the area it inhabits is that most people I talk to hate the thing and wish it would piss off.

Outside of the community that has to deal with the damage it's doing it's different. People have seen the warm fuzzy media coverage and have no idea of the damage it's doing/don't have to worry about a 400kg Apex predator eating their children as they walk around the marina seem to have a different perspective.

Crew being a boaties forum is of course more likely to align with the former, but the sentiments here are not limited to crew.

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Its not that simple, the seal is a protected animal so unless there was a threat they cant do much except squirt it. They would have to get DOC or call the police or whoever is the right agency to handle it. I am not familiar with H&C regulations but i would imagine that compliance is ensuring that people are warned about the dangers and thats about it. 

 

Crew.org seems to be the place where the anti-seal rhetoric is focused, out in the real world people either laugh about it or get a thrill from seeing it. Was speaking to someone the other day whose dinghy had a love bite, his attitude was all about fixing it and the seal was just like a naughty 3 year old so better put things up high out of reach

Love bite? Like a friendly tickle from a 44 magnum, haha!

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Left my dinghy in the water for one night after a late arrival to westhaven in the weekend and she shredded it...

 

According to some on this forum, if you were in the "real world" you'd be "laughing about it".  Perhaps the answer might be someone training it not to destroy people's valuable property.

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Still not really the point. You pay for the marina berth and included in that is security for your vessel and fittings. If some hoon had come

down to your boat and destroyed your dinghy, you would expect the marina to do something about it. DOC, as usual, with it's usual 'hands off' approach

should have done something right at the start. Marinas are not natural environments for seals. If the seal hauls out on a beach somewhere, great, and we

should all leave it alone. But it needs to be discouraged from marinas, or - DOC should compensate boat owners for the destruction

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I do not think she cares what we think of as her natural environment from our point of view. She probably just figures any place where she can have a sleep and catch some food from time to time will be sufficient.

It is also natural for things to adapt as best they can to change, unfortunately not animals are as apt at adaptation as she appears to be. Point and case is just look at how difficult some of us are finding the adaptation to the change of a leopard seal becoming part of our environment.

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Yesterday, I was filling my portside water tank in Westhaven, using my new curly hose from Bunnings, Think a 25-metre pig-tail, very tightly curled.

 

One section was dragging in the water so I flipped the hose to try to get it out.

 

Splash! No luck.

 

Tried again. Splash!

 

Tried a third time  ... and Happy Teeth lunged out from under my bow and snapped at the hose just as I finally got it out on the dock.

 

Once I changed my shorts, all was well. But that's as close as I want to get to the beast.

 

 

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I do not think she cares what we think of as her natural environment from our point of view. She probably just figures any place where she can have a sleep and catch some food from time to time will be sufficient.

It is also natural for things to adapt as best they can to change, unfortunately not animals are as apt at adaptation as she appears to be. Point and case is just look at how difficult some of us are finding the adaptation to the change of a leopard seal becoming part of our environment.

As humans we are the dominant species and that means we get to make the rules. Hopefully this also means that we treat lesser species with respect but that doesnt mean allowing these lesser species to rule the environment and having their desires taking precedence over ours in spite of what DOC thinks. If you do think that animals have equal rights then stop swatting flies, killing ants and eating meat. Time for the seal to move along, or be moved along.

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As humans we are the dominant species and that means we get to make the rules. Hopefully this also means that we treat lesser species with respect but that doesnt mean allowing these lesser species to rule the environment and having their desires taking precedence over ours in spite of what DOC thinks. If you do think that animals have equal rights then stop swatting flies, killing ants and eating meat. Time for the seal to move along, or be moved along.

 

I can only speak on behalf of myself but I stand in awe to most other species. Humans as a collective are quite successful at being predators but this has only been the case for a vanishingly short period of our existence.

At the individual level our brains are still those of prey not predators, hence the fear response whether rational or not to a true predator in proximity to you. I would expect to see indifference to another species in my proximity as the marker of dominance not the adrenaline fueled fight or flight response that the seal evokes.

Progress derived from following the scientific method is likely what makes you feel so confidant to make a claim of dominance. Yet the view that you hold is not supported by scientific reasoning. Your view whether you know it or not is founded in an antiquated view made up by philosophers during the dark ages about humans being central and the purpose of nature is to serve us.

There is no scientific basis for that rationalization and there never was. So if I should stop killing ants, swotting flies and eating meat (which I do not eat) am I now entitled to ask of you to stop using the internet, electricity and modern medicine?

 

If the above is a bit too much all you need to know is that we have very different views of what respect for another species means and that rationalization does not lead to progress.

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I'm kind of struggling to see the correlation between ants, flies and meat and the usage of internet,electricity and medicine.

And I'm quite content in my dominance over other species because internet, electricity and medicine and every other advance and invention since the dawn of time has resulted from my ancestors, not the seal's. I think that puts us humans at the head of the queue.

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I'm kind of struggling to see the correlation between ants, flies and meat and the usage of internet,electricity and medicine.

And I'm quite content in my dominance over other species because internet, electricity and medicine and every other advance and invention since the dawn of time has resulted from my ancestors, not the seal's. I think that puts us humans at the head of the queue.

Me too.

 

Its only the technology trappings of our forebears that allows us dominance in a one on one with an apex predator..

Without that, the jello inside from "x" years of imprinting would take over. Run away or be eaten.

 

What gets me is our guise of "fairness" in terms of our man manufactured "rights".

That we can exploit animals to extinction and feast on varying stages of their lifeforms with delight.

If aliens took over earth and farmed us equivalently we would be horrified.

 

Back to HT. 

I am surprised DOC is not using this example of disharmony of man vs wild life to study behaviour modification

on the species for future reference, with a non-injuring "surprise" unpleasant for HT on engagement with inflatable.

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