Kevin McCready 83 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Sailing back to Auckland from Mahurangi yesterday morning we were overtaken by a centre cockpit SV XXXXXXX (I estimate 50 foot or above). He came alongside within three metres and then cut over our bow leaving 3-5 metres. I would have had no trouble with his behaviour if it was a race, but it wasn't. And he had no idea of my skill, or lack of it, in keeping a straight course or taking evasive action. I'm surprised he didn't call for me to luff up and tack away. If anything had gone wrong it would have been a mess. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,223 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If you feel it's warranted, report the issue to the harbour master. If not under the rrs, then 5 knots within 50 meters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Sounds like he went out of his way to dip overtake to me. Next time he should be less courteous and roll you to windward , take your wind and really make your day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 398 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Something wrong with this post, not sure that it should be left up...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Passed 3m to leeward??I personally would feel a bit close in a non race situation,the other vessel is not here to defend themselves,but whose to say there was plenty of room but you came down on him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 511 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Where did it happen? In the harbour, on a transit line, in the middle of nowhere? Sundreamer's probably guiltier than most of doing the leeward dip drive-by, always to the benefit of both of us. All we expect is that the other boat holds their course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 398 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Yes XXXX does not do dangerous things in my experience, he was racing back to Auckland on Sunday I watched him start. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Roughly -36.5875555,174.7893479 Expecting people whose skill level you don't know to hold their course could put you both in danger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Roughly, to only 7dp? What do you call accurate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tuffyluffy 76 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Expecting people whose skill level you don't know to hold their course could put you both in danger. If that's a litmus test for risk, you'd never drive your car anywhere in New Zealand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,223 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 It does not matter if he was racing. For the rrs to apply, if I understand correctly, BOTH boats must be racing, or its 50m or Ive had a couple of members request this thread be deleted. I'm not sure it should be - this is a valid discussion I think, although it would be better if no names were mentioned. However, I'm open to consensus. Should the thread stay or go? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rangi1 50 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Stay - but it'd be good to hear from the skipper of ****** because I guess there is quite another side to the original tale.I race and I cruise, but in general I try to stay well clear from other boats. I can't afford the repairs or be bothered with the hassle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Povnation 3 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If it stays remove the boat name from the title so that we are discussing the matter without creating a negative for that boat. Agree Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rangi1 50 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yep, I agree too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,223 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Done, name removed. If Kevin is really concerned, he can report the incident and vessel name to the harbour master. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think the whole thread is pointless without the name. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,223 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Perhaps, Clipper, it might make those racing consider their effect on those not more closely? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think you will find the passing vessel wasn't breaking any laws. From the Maritime NZ Maritime rules part 91 https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/rules/part-91/Part91-maritime-rule.pdf 91.6 Speed of vessels (1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, propel or navigate a vessel (including a vessel towing a person or an object) at a proper speed exceeding 5 knots: (a) within 50 metres of any other vessel, raft, or person in the water (deleted bits not relavant) (5) Rule 91.6(1)(a) shall not apply to: (a) a vessel over 500 gross tonnage, if the vessel cannot be safely navigated in compliance with this clause; or ( b a vessel powered by sail in relation to any other vessel powered by sail, while the vessels are participating in a yacht race or training administered by— (i) a club affiliated to Yachting New Zealand; or (ii) a non profit organisation involved in sail training or racing; Plus one would normally assume the skipper of a vessel under sail has half an idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grant 40 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think you will find the passing vessel wasn't breaking any laws. From the Maritime NZ Maritime rules part 91 https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/rules/part-91/Part91-maritime-rule.pdf 91.6 Speed of vessels (1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, propel or navigate a vessel (including a vessel towing a person or an object) at a proper speed exceeding 5 knots: (a) within 50 metres of any other vessel, raft, or person in the water (deleted bits not relavant) (5) Rule 91.6(1)(a) shall not apply to: (a) a vessel over 500 gross tonnage, if the vessel cannot be safely navigated in compliance with this clause; or ( b a vessel powered by sail in relation to any other vessel powered by sail, while the vessels are participating in a yacht race or training administered by— (i) a club affiliated to Yachting New Zealand; or (ii) a non profit organisation involved in sail training or racing; Plus one would normally assume the skipper of a vessel under sail has half an idea. that only applies if both yachts are racing, I got the impression that only the larger yacht was racing, therefore what IT said, 5 knots within 50metres. I would have thought 3 metres was pretty close for two random boats to pass.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I guess I didn't read the second bit only the a vessel powered by sail in relation to any other vessel powered by sail If it were me and a larger boat that was racing did a dip down to go under me and passed 3 meters away I wouldn't be worried. Actually I would go out of my way not to hinder them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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