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More court cases? Back to lead mines? Something completely different?

 

Wonder what you do with a 90 ft cat that didn't win a race?

 

 

 

And what did everyone think of the commentary?

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Ellison said the next event is multi- challenger, with independent organisation, judges etc. Boat type yet to be decided. Mascalzone Latino challenger of record...

He also said that the organisation's intent is to make sure the smaller teams with less funding (NZ, South Africa, China etc) find the sponsorship they need to compete, and that he wants it to be the biggest cup ever. All sounds good to me! :D

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Yay Yay Horay :D - have had it on all morning, but still unable to see or hear anything . . . just the odd "blup" that gets me excited, then it goes back to buffering . . . :x

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Hang about, Ellison is American isn't he. :wink: :D

 

I know these boats were fast, but I dunno if they were any more exciting to watch. The share size meant the speed didn't look fast. And you can't mix it up in the Start up like you can with a smaller boat. Is it size or that they are Multi's or a combination? The fact that you can spin a Mono on a dime makes for it to be so much faster looking. And not to mention that with these big speed machines, the slightest edge ends up being a huge distance between boats. A slight edge in the smaller mono's meant more chances of the trailing boat to still come back.

So perhaps someone should start a poll. What would you like to see race in the next cup?? I would set a poll up if it wasn't for two reasons. I don't know quite how and I don't know enough about Racing boats to know what should be listed. Anyone???

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Hang about, Ellison is American isn't he. :wink: :D

 

I know these boats were fast, but I dunno if they were any more exciting to watch. The share size meant the speed didn't look fast. And you can't mix it up in the Start up like you can with a smaller boat. Is it size or that they are Multi's or a combination? The fact that you can spin a Mono on a dime makes for it to be so much faster looking. And not to mention that with these big speed machines, the slightest edge ends up being a huge distance between boats. A slight edge in the smaller mono's meant more chances of the trailing boat to still come back.

So perhaps someone should start a poll. What would you like to see race in the next cup?? I would set a poll up if it wasn't for two reasons. I don't know quite how and I don't know enough about Racing boats to know what should be listed. Anyone???

 

So you'd advocate sailing scows then, so the boats are so slow there won't be much between them ?

 

How about a couple of Wharves, then, they will compete at exactly the same speed ?

 

Its hard to say they were exciting to watch ?

Well clearly that is in the eye of the beholder, I think it was beyond very bloody exciting to watch.

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Anyone who thinks racing slow keelboats is exciting "cause they are close together" is stupid. Sorry, but it is often repeated, and in my opinion, plain wrong.

 

Fast boats are as, or even more, tactical as the dull leadmnes we usually see - just different tactics

 

This AC was without a doubt, the most exiciting one in many cup cycles. did anyone watch the LVPS on the TV a few montsh ago. F*ck, that was dull.

 

I assume they will go back to racing monohulls, but unless they are somethign special, it will again, return to dull sailing (but in the eyes of many) exciting racing. F*ck that

 

ZZZZZZ ZZZZZZ ZZZZ

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The Washington Post: "Ellison has promised to restore the event's luster, tarnished in 2 1/2 years of legal wrangling. The billionaire wants to put it back in long, fast, closely matched monohulls, with teams from around the world competing. Coutts, his sailing CEO, shares the vision."

 

yawn

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Perhaps not. If they can get it closer to the racing on the TP52 circuit for example, it'll be a big improvement. From a higher perspective, the monos use more crew, which is beneficial for NZ sailing as a whole, as there will be more of our guys out there.

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The share size meant the speed didn't look fast. And you can't mix it up in the Start up like you can with a smaller boat. Is it size or that they are Multi's or a combination? The fact that you can spin a Mono on a dime makes for it to be so much faster looking.

 

Did you not see the start of race 1? Spitfire spun that thing on a dime mate and in a far more impressive way than any lead winger would. He came at AL in excess of 20kts and parked it to within 1-1/2 boat lengths to weather (he got himself in irons a long time after that - you can make the same mistake in a mono - they just didn't have a jib to backwind like they did in the AC25's).

 

The fact that they didn't look fast was down to flim coverage (no different to the lead wingers) - the best shot I saw was BMWO's entrance into the box R1 past the committee boat when they were fully amped - and that was/looked f**ken fast and would certainly help shine anyone's 'trophy'! Harold would have either been creaming his pants or shitting himself!

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18' skiffs with no maximum wind limit ......... that would be exciting to watch, cheap to compete in and as much about who could keep it all together than who had the biggest chequebook. :thumbup:

 

Let's face it, talented designers, builders, crew and skippers could extract performance out of any boat they decide to compete in, so it doesn't really matter what they decide to run the competition in, except that some boats will be more of a spectacle for the general public than others. So what do we want to see? Close racing, spray flying, tactical battles, tacking duels, boats and crew being pushed to the raggedy edge of their performance envelope?? Does it really matter if those boats are doing 25kts or 15kts max??

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The Washington Post: "Ellison has promised to restore the event's luster, tarnished in 2 1/2 years of legal wrangling. The billionaire wants to put it back in long, fast, closely matched monohulls, with teams from around the world competing. Coutts, his sailing CEO, shares the vision."

 

yawn

 

Kinda funny really from LE, when it was he who dragged it through the courts..after all, Eb was all set to defend a non compliant Spanish yacht club with brand new set of cup rules and had upped the ante (read cost) by suggesting 90ft mono's were on the cards.

 

Just a thought for the day...my rough calculations based on a conservative estimate of $150 million (US) for each multi campaign and a total race time of around 5 hours means every second of your viewing pleasure burned 166,000.00 US.

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Gezz I'm glad I think all cool boats are cool no matter what number of hulls they have. I'd hate to be stuck thinking only one small section of boats, be it in design, number of hulls or the speed they get thru the water, can only be good and the rest are sh*t. Damn pleased I'm knot bound by such a narrow one-eyed mind-set.

 

Whatever they use they have to be able to go head to head in very close 1/4's biffo or it'll be boring. As much as I loved watching those engineering marvels the racing wasn't flash at all. As a match race it was lacking a lot, a big lot.

 

If that speed ticker wasn't on the screen I'd suggest easy over 50% of the viewers wouldn't have been able to tell weather those boats were doing 5, 10, 20, 30 or 100kts. Speed is irrelevant so as long as all the boats are doing the same speed, whatever that maybe, the chances are the race will be a good race.

 

The 33rd AC sure won't be remembered for it's quality racing that is for sure. The boners generated by the site of 2 super sexy boats will last a long long time though.

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Woe hang about. AC Mono's could hardly be considered "Slow".

Oh and clipper, easy on mate, maybe my comment was stupid due to lack of knowlegde, but I hardly think my comment makes Mestupid.

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So you knew who was going to get to the top mark first? At what point?

 

What you are forgetting is that there was only 2 boats built. If 2 different designers built two 70 foot leaners configured to an unknown venue one is going to be better than the other and the race will be boring.

 

However if they raced in a known destination at a known time in multihulls of a specified size, rig, weight with a few things open to stop the boats looking like peas in a pod and 10 turned up. You can almost bet that half of them at least will be of a similar speed. And exiting

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Woe hang about. AC Mono's could hardly be considered "Slow".

Oh and clipper, easy on mate, maybe my comment was stupid due to lack of knowlegde, but I hardly think my comment makes Mestupid.

 

Sorry Wheels, not meant to be as agressive (and certainly not personal) as it perhaps sounds. I'm just tired of the same comments often repeated, and i disagree strongly with them.

 

And yes, I believe AC monos could be considered slow. As compared to amore open 70ft boat. They go upwind quickly and downwind slowly. no more of those pigs will be built..

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Due to the non-normalness of the 33rd AC no-one knew who or what until 5 mins after the start of R1 when the world knew exactly who was taking home the silverware. It was a exciting race series until then when it turned just into boat porn.

 

I don't care what they race as long as it doesn't turn into a straight line speed trial like we have just watched. I just don't see massive multis giving us tacking duals and the close 1/4's biffo match racing is all about. Interesting to note neither does Brad or Russell. If they raced in those Ishare 40 Cat thingies I would suggest the 'race' element of the event would have been far superior in every way and we would have seen some true match racing. And at speeds to satisfy those who can't get passed the 'only fast is good' concept.

 

But it is the AC and what we have just seen does happen and is all part of the 'aura' of the rich AC history. And last time we had a DOG match it did change the AC landscape so it'll be interesting to see where they go now.

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