Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 That's the theory. I know quite a few who have imported Asian sourced marine equipment here privately, with no issues. It's technically illegal to use it here, but no one checks. They will now! New regs came in October last year and relates to "radio transmitting apparatus" only so will effect importation of marine VHF HF etc. Customs now treat it all like they do laser pointers. No import licence they bin it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 If they catch it, The baofengs aren't on trademe as much but they are still being imported by the like's of wish.com and aliexpress. General feeling is without a massive boost in the customs force at Auckland Mail Center it wont impact anything other than the odd unlucky person Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 If they catch it, The baofengs aren't on trademe as much but they are still being imported by the like's of wish.com and aliexpress. General feeling is without a massive boost in the customs force at Auckland Mail Center it wont impact anything other than the odd unlucky person All those on trademe who are importing none type approved out of band type radios can only sell them to licenced amateurs and must have a import licence from RSM. The Baofengs you see that don't are unprogramable UHF CB transceivers. They are all "unlucky" persons if the package is not marked with a verified licence number. Where the main problem is, they have closed the door on free for all radios that transmit all over the place just too late. There are lots in the country and lots turning up on police repeaters! Believe me, you will not get a radio transceiver into this country now via the post that is capable of out of band transmission, they are stopping everything. Does not apply to type approved (They have a list). Even licensed amateurs now have to buy through a approved retailer importer if the radio is coming in from overseas. Not sure how that effects selling existing gear second hand but there is now an offence for selling restricted gear to unlicensed people. A major clamp down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 If it's not labelled radio equipment on its customs declaration it's not caught, The new rules only catch the honest guys. The Baofengs are just too cheap and handy to have plenty of them flowing in still. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 lol just goes to show customs search on mail is liking trying to piss into a hurricane and not get any on yourself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 The channel bandwidth can be set but from memory it's 25khz but Marine is 12.5khz so may pay to check so you don't bleed over and you're heard better. You can us a programming cable and software called CHIRP to fix in channels and disable freq input, May it more like a normal Marine VHF handset that way On the shipping side, If i've had to send things urgently and want to bypass customs BS I ship with Fedex, They have a GST person who you just call and they take CC over the phone. Never had an item sit in Custom's more than 1 day with them even with $1k+ GST. You pay a premium of course over AusPost but when it's gotta be here, it's gotta be here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Too busy being pedantic about nothings I suspect. A few days before xmas a commercial boat blew up it's winch motor so another was needed fast. Got one sent from Aussie by air courier. Customs held it while they generated paperwork, which they do slowly, then posted it via snail mail to us demanding $5.65 in GST. The motor arrived boxing day, we finally got the letter 2 weeks ago after going ballistic to them via the phone for 3 days. We hope to finally receive the motor this week. We have a deferred account they know about so basically a huge pile of fails all over by Customs on this one. Luckily I decided to pull a winch apart and send the boat that motor at New Year or it would still be out of action. Those Baofengs. Care has been taken to make sure the working channel is one we use here in Akl, when inputting that frequency it was done accurately.They are running at 3W. After reading the bits above are there any other things to worry about? Yep. Getting caught unless you have a AOCP? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 RSM inspectors only come out for complaints from license holders, Unless you're pranking the police bands it's nothing to worry about. RSM just don't have the resources to go running down all of these radios Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 The channel bandwidth can be set but from memory it's 25khz but Marine is 12.5khz so may pay to check so you don't bleed over and you're heard better. You can us a programming cable and software called CHIRP to fix in channels and disable freq input, May it more like a normal Marine VHF handset that way On the shipping side, If i've had to send things urgently and want to bypass customs BS I ship with Fedex, They have a GST person who you just call and they take CC over the phone. Never had an item sit in Custom's more than 1 day with them even with $1k+ GST. You pay a premium of course over AusPost but when it's gotta be here, it's gotta be here Not correct. IMO channels agreed to by the ITU are 16K0F3E so 25khz. Your APPROVED marine VHF radio is FM deviation is 25khz but there is a move in the US to 12.5khz which they have called "interleaved" and have 3 digit channel numbers so basically chopping up the available spectrum into more real estate. Your cheap Chinese illegal radio will still work OK at 12.5kz but RSM with a spectrum analyser will spot you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 A lot of the newer kit is 12.5khz out of the box for bandwidth but running 25khz spacing. GX2150 out of the box on the SA is 12.5khz output channel width Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 A lot of the newer kit is 12.5khz out of the box for bandwidth but running 25khz spacing. GX2150 out of the box on the SA is 12.5khz output channel width Yep, got it totally faaaarked up Becacara, been a while since I looked at this again!! Channel spacing is 25khz (yanks moving to 12.khz). Modulation is 16k so 16khz f3e so pre-emphasis FM so phase modulation. Baofengs Puxings etc will work at 12.5kz but as I said, be careful as they are not type approved for marine VHF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Rec. ITU-R M.489-2 1 RECOMMENDATION ITU-R M.489-2* TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF VHF RADIOTELEPHONE EQUIPMENT OPERATING IN THE MARITIME MOBILE SERVICE IN CHANNELS SPACED BY 25 kHz Rec. ITU-R M.489-2 Summary (1974-1978-1995) The Recommendation describes the technical characteristics of VHF radiotelephone transmitters and receivers (or transceivers) used in the maritime mobile service when operating in 25 kHz channels of Appendix S18 [Appendix 18] of the Radio Regulations (RR). It also contains those additional characteristics of transceivers required to operate digital selective calling. The ITU Radiocommunication Assembly, considering a) that Resolution No. 308 of the World Administrative Radio Conference (Geneva, 1979) stipulated that:–all maritime mobile VHF radiotelephone equipment shall conform to 25 kHz standards by 1 January 1983; that RR Appendix S18 [Appendix 18] gives a table of transmitting frequencies which is based upon the principle of 25 kHz channel separations for the maritime mobile service; c) that in Opinion 42, the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) has been invited to advise the ITU Radiocommunication Sector of any methods of measurement applicable to radio equipment used in land mobile services; and that such methods of measurement may also be suitable for radio equipment used in maritime mobile services; d) that there is a need to specify the technical characteristics of VHF radiotelephone equipment operating in the maritime mobile service in channels spaced by 25 kHz, recommends 1 that the following characteristics should be met by VHF (metric) FM radiotelephone equipment used for the maritime mobile services operating on the frequencies specified in RR Appendix S18 [Appendix 18]. 1.1 1.1.1 1.1.2 1.1.3 used. General characteristics The class of emission should be F3E/G3E. The necessary bandwidth should be 16 kHz. Only phase modulation (frequency modulation with a pre-emphasis characteristic of 6 dB/octave) should be _______________ * This Recommendation should be brought to the attention of the International Maritime Organization (IMO) and the Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T). Note by the Secretariat: The references made to the Radio Regulations (RR) in this Recommendation refer to the RR as revised by the World Radiocommunication Conference 1995. These elements of the RR will come into force on 1 June 1998. Where applicable, the equivalent references in the current RR are also provided in square brackets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 16khz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Na not that one, Looks like they are calling it Occupied Bandwidth which seems to be fixed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Occupied Bandwidth：≤16KHz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Alphabet soup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Yep. Gets a bit like that. Channel "width" is actually the spacing between channels so 25khz spacing, new channels now going to halve that to 12.5khz. Maximum deviation is 5khz which is the way FM is modulated by the audio volume being fed to a "variactor" so the frequency either side of the channel frequency, example: 156.800 (CH16) would be plus 805 to minus 795. FM changes the frequency slightly to transmit the audio as opposed to AM which changes the amplitude. F3E is simply the designation for FM and the 16K is the actual bandwidth allowed for the transmitter and used. Carrier pigeons would be easier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,234 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 For most, the easy answer is just buy from a nz dealer. Vhfs are not expensive, and it will have the right standards, certification etc. No need to know all this stuff. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlastairW 15 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 For most, the easy answer is just buy from a nz dealer. Vhfs are not expensive, and it will have the right standards, certification etc. No k Need to know all this stuff. +1 Why bother about all that minutae. There are far better things to be spending time on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,234 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The difference is huge. If someone anchors with a crap anchor, they may go on a beach. If you use a crap radio you can stop every other radio in range from working on that, or similar frequency if it bleeds across. This is what the regs are for. I do agree that compliance/certification costs are way too high. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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