Pecco 10 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Thank you for that BP. As you know I have a cav 32 too so invaluable info!!!! I will try this as soon as I get a chance. So far I heaved to with the jib on....obviously not in heavy conditions, just too take a break and have some food... or fishing...hahha cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sail Rock 28 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Excellent post BP, thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terry B 70 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Hi team, I have a Whiting 29 - any recommendations for a drogue for this size/type of yacht? One of those things I'II probably never use - but will need if I don't have one I'm not going off shore, just tootling around the gulf, up to BOI maybe and hopefully the mercs. But it can get nasty in the gulf - it's those short steep seas you get that throw mine sideways or down the hole........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,211 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Nah Terry, unless you are going offshore, a drogue is not required..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terry B 70 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Control Device KM. To set the scene, last year came back from Gt Barrier with a steep sea and 25 knots - both up the stern, crewing on my mates Beneteau 35 footer. The seas picked her up and tried to either throw her sideways or run her down the front of the bigger waves into the trough nose first. Never felt in control, felt to me that we were going to fast..........but I could be wrong.........I've not a lot of experience in the bigger seas.I tend to cruise innner gulf and only venture further in good conditions. Which can turn to custard as we all know. I know it's completely different hull shape to mine. I'm planning on trying a few things next time I get into some similar conditions in order to see what works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex TL systems 63 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 100 m or so of line towed in a bight off each quarter would slow things down considerably and easy to retrieve later. I have a Jordan series drogue to try but I wouldn’t use it in the gulf as they can be hard to pull back in , not something you would put out for an hour or 3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terry B 70 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Thanks TL. I'll try that. Might even just play with that in lighter conditions to see what the effects are. So you agree that slowing down is the correct way to go? I'd try to go faster than the seas but I've yet to add the foils Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,568 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 Being able to slow down is good but in what you describe i would have dropped the main. Boat would slow and steer better. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwo 157 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Slight thread drift but I finished my Jordan Series Drogue today. Final stage was packing it into the launching bag, which clips on at the back of the boat. I'm happy with how it came out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terry B 70 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Thanks BP. Thanks to all for the advice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 000 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Great post BP, but not applicable to my current cruising even though we are sailing from one country to another... But dare one mention the use of oil bags in this day of environmental concerns? I had a small collapsible plastic Jerry can with a tap at the bottom to which was attached a meter or so of plastic tubing. The Jerry can was stood lashed down in the galley sink with the tube down the plug hole and the oil flow adjusted by the tap. From experience a very small amount of oil has a marked effect in taking the sting out of the seas. But the trick when heaving to is in keeping your boat in the slick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Rather than directly down wind try and do a training reach(wind just on the aft quater)travel further but more comfortable and control.End up jybing downwind but maybe better than trailing a drogue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex TL systems 63 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 I think you need to have a range of tactics to adapt to the conditions ,crew and sea room. And be able to change tactics as things change. Sailing solo you need to be able to go below and let the boat look after itself. I like the parachute sea anchor after using one overnight in 50 knots but can see the advantage of the drogue when moving forward is easier on the rudders Steering around waves is okay if you are not too tired but once it gets dark it gets hard to see what is coming. For cruising I like to keep it easy on the boat slow down and not break stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wal 27 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Slight thread drift but I finished my Jordan Series Drogue today. Final stage was packing it into the launching bag, which clips on at the back of the boat. I'm happy with how it came out. 20190708_123025.jpg 20190708_132748.jpg 20190708_133134.jpg 20190708_134417.jpg Awesome sewing job......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoSail 1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I was asked for this in another thread. Flame away. First this is about cruising, racing is a whole nuther story. And since the majority of long distance cruisers are either couples or short handed that’s what I’ll focus on. I didnt find anything trollers should use to flame you. Well written. A flexible calender saves lives. I see this in simple passages even in power boats at Xmas from Te Kouma Harbour to Gulf Harbour. Ive known plenty of idiots who have risked their families lives in 50+ and gusting in boats way to small for this kind of work, when the Coast Guards Naiad is struggling, you know GRP power boats should be thinking about cancelling other plans. Rent a car and drive back and come back for the boat another day. Its only a small passage but that area between Colville and Waiheke can really rip up snot. The same with GBI. If going to GBI imo always have a flexible calender. Its that simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Slight thread drift but I finished my Jordan Series Drogue today. Final stage was packing it into the launching bag, which clips on at the back of the boat. I'm happy with how it came out. 20190708_123025.jpg 20190708_132748.jpg 20190708_133134.jpg 20190708_134417.jpg Great job, I wish mine (made many years ago ) packed down that small, using 3 strand 16mm it overflows a 25L bucket and needs to be set up early. Very difficult to do once things start to turn pear shaped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,211 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Imo the deployment system is almost as important as the device itself. If it's not easy to use, it will likely get out off, rather than used early... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 For you experienced cruisers (Matt , BP ? ) what have you found to be a good wind direction when returning from Noumea ? Chrs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,211 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Northerly! But that does not happen often. You want to approach NZ on the back side of a high, and use the NE to come in. Otherwise, you normally leave in a SE (Trade) and drop to the W a bit, hoping to pick up a NW on the approach of a low for the last couple of hundred miles. Lows are risky though, at this time of year they can be significantly stronger than predicted. If you end up with the wind abeam, you have done well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Thanks, looks like it is predominately in the W sector for the next few days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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