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  1. Please go through the Council’s Practise Note (as attached) for Producer Statements. As, per the policy/Note PS1 shall be provided by Auckland Council’s Registered Author, Malcolm Freeman (CPEng – 166837) is not an Auckland Council’s Registered Author. So, please provide PS1 from Registered Author.

as you can see the PS1 was produced by a registered engineer but not one on the AK register, because they haven't paid the fee, seems like  rort to me,  one engineer is not like the other! Will PM

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Especially Whangaparaoa. Pretty diverse community around here, from very basic to very wealthy 

Tamaki and Kohi pay peppercorn, as most none profit sports clubs in the city do like DevoYC and TakaBC and GHYC has just been offered....with some fishhooks attached.   The Westhaven clubs pay large

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This is what the Govt. wants. A compliant council that creates 'equality'....i.e. drags everyone down to the lowest common denominator. As  a spokesman for young fogeys I officially deplore this sort of  discrimination by deciding who is rich,who is poor,who is deserving of rate / taxpayer subsidy simply by decree. Time to turf the lot ,find a benign dictator and start again.

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I was caught out on a project in Wiri 2 years ago, I got a structural steel support tower designed by and reg engineer in Christchurch but it had to get a peer review by a council registered engineer as my guy was not on the ACC list

All commercial structures require a peer review regardless of who the design engineer is or where he is based. That has been Aucland council policy for probably over 10 years.

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What is the PS1 required for. If it is for design. the council have to accept it if issued by a CPENZ registered engineer as long as the work is within his scope of competencey.

 

Absolute Rubbish!

 

The words Producer Statement do not appear anywhere in the Building Act 2004. 

There is no statuary requirement for any Building Consent Authority to accept any producer statement from anybody for anything.    

Producer statements are used by BCAs as a method of being satisfied on reasonable grounds whatever is covered by the producer statement complies with the Building Code. 

Producer statements are accepted SOLELY at each BCAs discretion and must be accepted in accordance with each BCAs quality manual.   

In the case of Auckland Council (and other but not all BCAs around the country) there is the Producer Statement Providers Registrar. 

In order to have a producer statement accepted by Auckland Council engineers (and in fact other specialists) must apply to be on the register.

To be accepted for the register the applicant must demonstrate their competence in the area they wish to issued producer statements for and demonstrate they have an appropriate insurance policy.

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All commercial structures require a peer review regardless of who the design engineer is or where he is based. That has been Aucland council policy for probably over 10 years.

Again incorrect.

 

Peer reviews are required depending on the complexity of the project. Not all commercial projects require a peer review. However a peer review and a Producer Statement-Design Review (PS2) from an engineer already on the register is a simple (but not necessary cost effective) alternative if the design engineer is not on Auckland Councils register.  

 

It is correct though that this has been Auckland Councils policy since probably about 2005

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You are correct Ex Babe. There is no requirement in the building Act 2004 regarding producer statements. My point is what authority do Councils have to not accept a producer statement if issued by a registered engineer with required insurance cover. Please explain what is the point of being CPENZ or IPENZ regisered if your registration is not accepted by variouse BCA's unless you pay to be on their register. 

I suspect if they were challenged they would loose, just like they did with minimum falls on enclosed decks and roofs when using an acceptable solution. 

Unfortunately council consider that the Building Act 2004 is only relevant when it suits.

Only very simple commercial structures will not require peer review. 

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Are there any honest council employees??  

I know a lot of good honest people that happen to be Council employees, and I think that comment is marginal at best. An apology probably wouldn't be out of line.

The issue is the systems these people have to work under, and the mandates handed down from the political leaders and senior managers.

 

Example, Punuku didn't create itself, it wasn't created in a vacuum. It was created by Political masters to serve a purpose (to them).

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Unfortunately council consider that the Building Act 2004 is only relevant when it suits.

Nor other laws of the country as they have recently busted been doing and there are numerous examples of them having done. But they are still at anyway.

 

That Mission Bay development they want to OK intentionally ignores the Government directive, law, that building things MUST now assume sea level is 1mt higher than it is today. If you apply that 1mt to Mission Bay the 2 floors below ground are under water and if you live on the ground floor of the new building your testicles will always be wet. Apply it to Bayswater marina and the proposed apartments will be great for fishos, they can sit upstairs and throw a line down the stairs as their ground floor will also be covered in water. WestPark apartments, same again.

 

There is some very shady sh*t happening inside the council but from what I've seen it's not the elected councillors who are the problem, far from it. The problems are being caused by the bureaucracy. Some have been allowed to build their own fiefdoms and very much appear to think they are above the elected officials, the ratepayers and in some cases, the laws of the land.

 

Very recently marina users and the ratepayers had a nice win when the elected councillors were made aware of what one of their CCO's was up to. They had no idea of the shady that was going on but stopped, some of, it fast when they were shown.

 

So I'm with Fish on this, sure the organisation does have a good number of todger pullers but it certainly isn't all of them.  And there are a lot of them, the Auckland Shitty Council has more staff that NZ entire Military.... combined.

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