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Just heard Hell (Michigan) has frozen over.Another hell will freeze over before POAL builds another Port. That's why they're grabbing everything going now. The planners are planning the lawyers are lawyering the managers are managing directors are directing all at huge expense and personal benefit. And that people is the future for POAL. Remember POAL has no responsibility or accountability for public good.Just the shareholders.

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armchairadmiral

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That's why they're grabbing everything going now. The planners are planning the lawyers are lawyering the managers are managing directors are directing all at huge expense and personal benefit. And that people is the future for POAL. 

Absolute rubbish.

Believe what you want but Im telling you thats just straight up bollocks.

I sit in meetings with them discussing these things, and others things to, and Im sorry to disappoint you, but none of what you are saying is even remotely true.

 

 

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Least we forget, our current mayor was elected on a platform of zero further encroachment into the harbour,

We used threw that at them last week in an effort to get access to council meeting and workshops they said are closed to the public. One of the lads had a Doc in which Goff said we would be granted access and the right to be involved on any consultation.

 

A big win for us and good to see Goff/Council has actually walked his talk on this. What will happen now is in the lap of the gods but at least the public will now have a chance, something we didn't have only 2 days ago.

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Just heard Hell (Michigan) has frozen over.Another hell will freeze over before POAL builds another Port. That's why they're grabbing everything going now. The planners are planning the lawyers are lawyering the managers are managing directors are directing all at huge expense and personal benefit. And that people is the future for POAL. Remember POAL has no responsibility or accountability for public good.Just the shareholders.

Going to have to go with Veladre on this. From all I've learnt recently the PoA is being very helpful and has definite plans to use less waterfront not more. Bar a 5-6 story carpark in the waters edge, the eye sore potential is stratospheric, I've seen nothing that concerns me at all.

 

As a FYI, the Auckland wharves are owned by PoA, the council and the Government. Some wharves have shared ownership, some just one owner.

 

Panuku is what you need to watch, they are the most powerful and potentially damaging gang on NZ soil.

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I was referring to building a new port if you read my post ! Veladare can sit in on as many meetings as he/she likes and all that's going to happen is an ongoing expensive talkfest designed to confuse and obfusicate whats really going on. Which is planners planning,lawyers lawyering....I too have sat in on many meeting /talkfests/conferences/confidential briefings and usually all that comes out are more consultant commissions and staff reports. Yes Veladare very rarely something does happen....very occasionally. Good luck .BTW are you on the gravy train ?

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KM not if it is architectural designed to be in keeping with the surrounding harbour environment.

Architecturally designed only means it cost 50% to 1000% more to get to the same end result as one that was drawn up by a drafts man.

 

and go higher perhaps 15 stories or more as it is in a commercial Zone with all the surrounding buildings adjacent in a commercial zone.

The thread is about mooring dolphins. It they were 15 stories high they would not work.

 

 It appears the visitors leave with an impression of polluted water ways, lakes, insufficient toilets and facilities with locals stating and behaving like they are unwelcome.

Don't believe the media reporting on comments by vested interests. NZ is a must see destination apparently and with social medias ability to spread news faster than some hot chick with drinking issues and marginal morels can spread STD's at a music festival, if NZ was that bad it wouldn't be.

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I think I've worked out why the Government is:

A) so expensive to run, and

B.) can't get anything useful done.

 

They are busy replying to quality letters like the below all the time.

 

 

While you are at it demand that the extensions include recycling facilities for their wastes rather than it being dumped at sea. Facilities also to include facilities for inspectors to inspect all their sewerage treat plants, logs, ballast water dumping logs and the treatment of such to ensure they are not dumping marine pests such as the Med fan worm etc. Push that angle and you might have more success. Push the environment issue to be included as a result of the govt signing on to recent international treaties this JANUARY to eliminate sea / ocean pollution at the source. This would push the extensions further and possibly out passed the boundary /  outside their present allowable working limit thus killing two birds with one stone.

 

 

I have taken the matter of harbour pollution / plastic pollution and marine vessels waste dumping up with the minister and associate minister for the environment August 2018.. I have also taken the matter up with POAL and Goff. POAL have support re my recommendation for the port extensions  but have not been asked or been consulted me re the Dolphins extensions. I do not support the dolphin extensions unless they include the facilities I have been advocating to include facilities for NZ inspectors as mentioned.

 

They [ The NZ Govt ] replied but can't find a way to copy and paste. It does not have any restrictions on it. Basically the reply stated the ban plastic single use bags was only the first step in a long term strategy.

 

My reply to the associate minister for the environment,

 

 

To

 

Attachment.
 
To all listed
 
 
 Thank you E.Sage associate minister for the NZ environment for your long delayed reply.
 
Your reply does not address the question that most of the plastics on the NZ foreshore and some harbours are caused by inadequate land fill containment systems as I out lined.  You state your goal is to eliminate plastics use at there source, there is more plastic containers, straws used by food retailers customers, fast food plastic containers, deli and take away food plastic containers in the streets / on the roadsides inc plastic drink bottles, plastic wrappers. Why were they not included?  Do they not come within the definition at the source.
Local governments have local by laws prohibiting waste dumping with monetary fines. Where are the local by laws preventing sea and ocean waste dumping with monetary fines.
 
You also state that you have signed on to this January, numerous international treaties to address / eliminate sea and ocean plastic pollution at the source.
 
Where is the legislation banning NZ navy vessels, visiting and departing cruise commercial passenger liners, all cargo vessels, which include container vessels, from taking on board goods, bulk food supplies, drinks including the bindings /  bound by plastic wrappings, tape, containing plastic bags, single use plastic bags, plastic bottles, plastic drinking cups, plastic detergents bottles, plastic cooking ingredients products inc cooking oils, soaps, cosmetics, confectionery products, drinking straws, energy drink bottles, pharmaceutical and other products containers made with / from  plastics. The source of the sea and ocean plastics pollution in international waters and NZ territorial waters is from the marine vessels that travel the high seas and oceans dumping all that listed plastic consumer products and more into the oceans / high seas daily sometimes twice daily? A long time documentary photographing them during the dumping process is common knowledge and most are aware of this. If you are going to introduce legislation why not do it in one piece of legislation instead of dragging it out piece meal because at the moment you will not be in the next NZ government. This would save the ministry for the environment funding causes / projects  like you stated the minimisation fund, the sustainable coastline projects because the source would be eliminated. Where are the recycling facilities at our NZ ports especially ports that intend extensions and marinas for all these pollutants to be deposited for collection to encourage marine water users to bring there waste ashore rather than throwing it overboard into the coastal waters and international waters.

 

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Why the did you pass a comment re the build on the wharf, with parking facilities being a eye sore which is not a mooring dolphin.

A mooring dolphin is an isolated marine structure for berthing and mooring of vessels.

 

In that case I do not support your protest submissions what so ever.

You've lost me a bit sorry but I'll give it a go.

 

The parking facility is the, or one of the key, things preventing the purpose built cruise ship terminal being built at the moment. If that terminal was able to be build now there would be no need for the proposed Dolphins.

 

Personally while I'd prefer to see the port elsewhere I do think the longer terms plans, as they currently stand, by PoA and the councils cruse ship terminal aren't too bad considering the constraints that the area has. As the proposed plans have been explained to me I doubt I would object to the cruise terminal. Not to sure about the car processing facility though, I'd want to know more about how they plan to mitigate what could be a real ugly piece of sh*t or what could also be called an eye sore. But you and others may think the processing facility is beautiful and will enhance the waters edge. Beautiful or Ugly or eye sore, they are only personal opinions.

 

The mooring dolphins are not isolated marine structures. The proposed plan Panuku has for the Dolphins is very much a 90mt extension to the wharf.

 

I am not protesting, I am proposing an alternative that will give the cruise lines and council all they want plus even more but at less cost and far less harbour lose for the people who live and use the area all year around. The current plan uses technologies whose prime years were a century ago.

 

You are free to support the council in it's desire to take a significant chunk of Auckland Harbour off Aucklanders to make some overseas corporation richer if you like. Just do not be surprised if people think that's short sighted, stupid and tell you that.

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Don't feed the troll KM,

I'm sure you've got much more valuable things to do with your time.

Oh hell yes crazy amounts on but people need to know some of what's going on in the background around the water. There are many thongs going on and most of them will cost us all and in many ways.

 

Rehab is passionate, sussing his fishing ban thread shows that, and you can't knock passion like that these days. But I think he doesn't quite understand so if I can hep him do that and get that passion working for the good of Auckland then I'm OK with spending 10mins trying.

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Typo of the week:

 

There are many thongs going on and most of them will cost us all and in many ways.

:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

:lol: :lol:  Nice spotting. I suspect a case of spell checker update gone bad.... or maybe a deep deep subconscious desire ;)

 

In this case a typo but still not far off factual in many other situations. Imagine how much it would cost you if you turned up home with something in a thong, I know it would cost me sh*t loads....assuming I wasn't stabbed on the spot :)

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Meetings are for loosers. Protest I say.

There is a lot to be said for engaging, constructively, in the Council (consent) process in order to achieve your goals.

It certainly takes a whole lot more energy and substantially more time than a good fun protest

(But I've got a feeling you already know that ay Freedom?)

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Do not waste your time/effort trying to organise an on the water protest!!Yes Yes I will be there,200 people/vessels,come the day you look pretty pathetic with 6 vessels. Been down this road on a similar issue.

 

NZ are a pathetic bunch when it comes to protest movements,unless you engage rent a crowd.

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Hay Relapsed,

Any chance you could provide an Abstract to your above Thesis?

In the real world, people just don't have time to read posts that long.

Its 1,500 words, for crying out loud. In one post.

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Sorry Rehab but I just can't make sense of your post. It is a weird jumble of you ,me and quite a few others by the looks all interspersed with of topic points and paranoia.

 

PLEASE PLEASE do something about your writing style or stay out from important threads like this. I fear you are about to get this closed and in doing so do the users of Auckland and it's harbours a massive disservice.

 

Can you tidy up that big post to make it readable please.

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Replying as rehabilitated. Are you trying to get this thread locked also. 

 

How come there is not many new members or existing members posting. It seems to be the same old group posting , which number seems to be getting smaller. Is there not sum 2500 + members.

Relapsed,

you are the one that has been surreptitiously locking threads.

 

regarding the new members, I'd take a punt that people are put off by very long posts, repetitive arguements and posts that have no clear point, or that no-one can make sense off. i.e. your posts.

Its impossible to get any reasonable discussion going, and very difficult to have an exchange of ideas or frank points of view, because you either lock the thread, get offended by some minor comment or go off on some wild wondering speal with no relevance to the thread.

 

The longer you hang around here, the more I am tending to use other sailing forum sites Relapsed. I rather suspect I'm not the only one.

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Anyway back to important news.

Lots of good thing have happened and popped up over the last 24/48hrs with both the large Wharf extension (the dolphins) and securing tenure of Westhaven for NZ boaters. 

 

There is a feeling in the battle group many public are not aware or are only just aware these things are happening and the longer term consequences. Please if you get a few moments go take a look, they will affect us all, our kids and in some cases or kids kids kids.

 

The AYBA (Auckland Yacht and Boating Association)

Auckland Marina Users Association

Westhaven Marina Users Association

The PCC

The Richmond

The Squaddy

all have info and people who can fill you in on the guts of it without all the fluff.

 

Joining the Auckland Marina Users Association will help lend your voice to the battle. It costs bugger all but it all helps. There are lawyers working on these things as I write and they do cost.

 

Or if you are not a member of a Club join one, they are fighting for thing that will benefit you. The AYBC is covering a lot of the cost for and their money comes from the Clubs so joining a club helps them, the AYBA and all going as planned hopefully Auckland.

 

As a FYI, the AYBA does masses of good sh*t for us all and in more ways then most realise so if you get the chance Thank them.

 

I know some of this is a tad Blaa but there are genuine very real very active treats to our boating world happening right this very second. Some are local i.e Panuku but there is also offshore interests with fingers deep as in to it all. NONE of those overseas interests are working towards anything that will benefit you, they are working to get you to pay them to take your assets away from you. If they win the outcome is simple, we will be fucked over and it will cost us a shitload for the pleasure.

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