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I think some enforcement of the existing rules would be a good start. No need to have a licence to get a fine.

Be careful what you wish for.. it’s a slippery slope. First rego numbers and then it will be WoFs and so on. I can’t believe how many are wanting some sort of rego/licensing system!   I would much

Every time somebody thinks something needs fixing, they leap for a new law or regulation instead of enforcing what already exists. The list of laws/regs in our society keeps growing but without enforc

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Laws and rules that are not enforced lose legitimacy. 

And rules that are not enforced are only adhered to by those that feel a moral or societal obligation to do so - so it's likely that without enforcement, any new laws will likely only affect those who already adhere to the current rules and will be disregarded by the very individuals whose behaviour the new rule seeks to change. 

 

I feel that the analogy to car driver licensing does not hold as the laws around driving a car are rigorously and vigorously enforced. The have legitimacy in society.

 

The current laws for boating are more than adequate, and my opinion is that a little enforcement of things like speeding and right-of-way would go a long way toward improving everybody's appreciation of the current laws and spur greater adherence to them.

 

More laws (i.e. having to have a license) on top of unenforced laws will only push law abiding citizens to abandon boat based activities. We have enough hurdles to participation as it is.

 

For those who are considering a fizz nasty license, i.e. a license that affects olyl a portion of boat users, how will you define "fizz nasty"?

 

Something like "Vessel designed to, or capable of, attaining sustained speed of greater than 8knts under the force of its motor(s)" ?

 

- I'm genuinely interested how we would define this.

Harbour masters need a couple of deputies and jet skis as tools to help enforcing / police the rules especially close to shore and speed limits in 5 mph restricted areas and close to other anchored vessels as the number of boats and jet skis have significantly increased since the roles of harbour masters were initiated. Should also be given to fishing inspectors as a weapon. You would not expect a jet Ski visitor to be a fishing inspector.

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Sorry, I totally disagree. It hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been done - made no difference, an IS simply more cost for Boaties...

It would work within the present licensing system if it was compulsory for their licence number to be displayed in large numerical numbers on both sides so one could photo them on cell phone with witnesses and report them with the evidence for conviction.

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2.14 Vessels to be identified by law

Powerboats 4m and over and non-powered boats 6m and over 
- These boats must display a name or similar identifying mark, such as a radio call sign, coastguard membership number, or trailer registration. 
Identification must be: 
- A minimum of two letters or numbers, displayed on both sides of the hull, and above the waterline. 
- At least 90mm high (all characters must be at least 90mm high), and legible at a distance of no less than 50 metres. 
 

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So as an example of why enforcement should be increased first I give you Westhaven Marina.  There is as you will know a 5 knot speed limit.  In addition it is a no wake zone.  So I asked the Marina to follow up with some boats about speeding and whether they could have a bit of a blitz/flyers etc.  Their response was that it was up to the Harbour Master and they had no powers.

 

Now this is patently untrue and shows they cant be bothered enforcing their own marina rules.  There is a section in the website that states:

 

  • Boat owners must moor their vessel at their berth and manoeuver so as to avoid creating a danger, obstacle or inconvenience to other users or obstructing public rights of navigation.
  • Westhaven Marina is a no wake zone. Your wake can stop others from enjoying the use of their boat – whether dining, doing maintenance, or relaxing. Wakes also contribute to maintenance issues. Please don’t be offended if our team asks you to slow down. The speed limit in the Marina is 5 knots – but the slower you go, the better.

 

In addition that section of the Website forms part of the contract.

 

So Westhaven appears very dedicated to enforcing parking as that produces income, but does not even understand its own rules when it comes to wakes.  As a consequence you can pretty much get around at any speed as long as you are not on the plane!

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So as an example of why enforcement should be increased first I give you Westhaven Marina.  There is as you will know a 5 knot speed limit.  In addition it is a no wake zone.  So I asked the Marina to follow up with some boats about speeding and whether they could have a bit of a blitz/flyers etc.  Their response was that it was up to the Harbour Master and they had no powers.

 

Now this is patently untrue and shows they cant be bothered enforcing their own marina rules.  There is a section in the website that states:

 

 

 

  • Boat owners must moor their vessel at their berth and manoeuver so as to avoid creating a danger, obstacle or inconvenience to other users or obstructing public rights of navigation.
  • Westhaven Marina is a no wake zone. Your wake can stop others from enjoying the use of their boat – whether dining, doing maintenance, or relaxing. Wakes also contribute to maintenance issues. Please don’t be offended if our team asks you to slow down. The speed limit in the Marina is 5 knots – but the slower you go, the better.
 

In addition that section of the Website forms part of the contract.

 

So Westhaven appears very dedicated to enforcing parking as that produces income, but does not even understand its own rules when it comes to wakes.  As a consequence you can pretty much get around at any speed as long as you are not on the plane!

Westhaven has to be a "statutory authority" to bring anything other than civil action against offenders even if its private property. Civil actions can only succeed if there is a request for damages so they are right to say there is nothing (legal) they can do other than refer the matter to the police of council. IT doesn't stop them from seeking and issuing trespass notices as the area managers. Probably a way to deal with repeat offenders?

Of interest, you say they enforce parking to produce "income" so I am assuming people get parking infringement notices? Are these issued by the marina itself?

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For the amount of hassle and costs involved, compared with the reduction in an, already minimal, number of accidents,, licensing is not worth it.

 

BTW. The most stupid thing, affecting me recently was a boatload of MNZ staff, insisting on going under a bridge up tide, when I was going down stream with limited power, maneuverability and space.

 

Enforcing some of the worst examples of breaches of existing rules, could help. Most boaties are sensible. What I see, mostly, apart from the speeding powerboats, are mistakes, not inattention or disregard.

 

Wannabees wanting more power, and things to do, seem to be driving the call for licensing.

 

Coastguard courses and other education, is making a difference.

 

Licensing, as Australia and the USA, has shown, makes little difference, while adding hassle and cost.

 

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