Dtwo 157 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I would like to adjust the pilot so it doesn't try and steer a really really straight course, as in with a quartering sea it isn't going ape flicking the wheel back and forth. In The Olden Days you would have a control called some variant of "gain", or "sea state". I don't see anything that seems to have this effect. I must say that the control descriptions are not particularly helpful. Any ideas appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Response setting one to 5, on most simrad units. What model? They also have seastate, counter rudder and more... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
180S 20 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Assuming it is of the TP10,22,32 variety then this from the manual Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwo 157 Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 It's the NAC 3, using a AP44 or the NSS9 EVO3. The compass is a rate compass. All this sh*t cost a lot of money. The Autopilot controls (and their descriptors) are: Turn Rate - Target rate of turn used for heading change Rudder Gain - Ratio between heading error and rudder command Counter Rudder (secs) - Counteracts the effect of turn rate and inertia Autotrim - Corrects for static heading error induced by environmental forces ... and a few more that don't have relevance Coming back from Barrier yesterday I was fiddling with the Rudder Gain. Originally it was set to 0.25, this seemed to just add a bit of helm when we were off course. It didn't keep adding rudder to try and correct it, it just seemed to go "ah F$#k it" and error. I changed that to 3.0 and that was better, but very very busy. I dropped it back to 0.5 and it seemed closer to where it should work. What is annoying is that you just want the fecking thing to work. Trying to understand the manual/instructions is a challenge in itself. "Ratio between heading error and rudder command" is all well and good but it doesn't actually tell you how to use it - as in "set to a larger number in heavy seas". As for the Counter Rudder setting in seconds, who knows what that is going to do. All in all I'm a bit disappointed with all the "latest and greatest" crap I've bought. The NSS9 EVO3 can run a FLIR camera, which is really fantastic for some people - except if you want to GoTo a waypoint - you can't, you have to go Find/Waypoint/select/GoTo. I've used systems 20 years ago that were better..... Hey and thanks to all for your input! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Ok. The AP44 and NAC3 is a great pilot. Pity it has a rate compass (RC42??) rather than a precision 9, but it will still work ok. Who supplied this gear, and was it professionally installed and commissioned? Is this a sailboat (Unusual to have simrad NSS in a sailboat, normally B&G)? Setup is a bit different for power and sail. What rudder feedback unit is used (if any)? Ist, the unit needs a proper dockside setup. You must know what units you have and ensure the correct data sources are selected. If this is wrong you will have poor performance. Then the sea trial setup can be done. If this is all done correctly it is sometimes compass position that causes erratic steering and "hunting" of the course. The NAC 3 selection provides different menus via the AP44 than the older computers did. Now you have changed the settings on the system the whole install procedure should be re done. These pilots are complex, and once done correctly, the installation settings should not be changed, only the user menus. See page 34 of the AP44 operator manual. I'm a Simrad (and B&G) tech, sounds to me like you need some help in sorting this. Where are you based? Navico tech support 08004628426 or I can put you in touch with your nearest technical support dealer if you wish? Alternately the Navico number given above will provide you with the information you need to get this unit set up correctly. I have attached the NAC 2/3 Commissioning manual. NAC 2 & 3 commissioning-manual.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 430 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 except if you want to GoTo a waypoint - you can't, you have to go Find/Waypoint/select/GoTo. I've used systems 20 years ago that were better..... On the B&G Zeus... On chart view, when you select a waypoint, (or anything else) a little speech bubble pops up with the name of the thing you selected, the name only sticks around for a couple of seconds and if you touch anywhere else it disappears. When you touch the speech bubble a screen appears giving you the details of the item you selected. At the bottom is a "goto" button. (on my b&g the goto is slightly obscured by a predictwind auto route overlay, but the goto button is still there). Now if that doesn't work, long press the screen for a couple of seconds and a predictive cursor should appear, drag it over the waypoint you're interested in. Then from the menu in the top right find the Goto option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Same on the Simrad... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwo 157 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Yep that is great if the waypoint is not far away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwo 157 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 On the navigation pane there is a GoTo, but that only seems to have Co-Ordinates as the option. I couldn't see a way of having the GoTo use waypoints, which would make sense in my head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I'll make a recording for you tomorrow if I get time... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 OK, here are the main two methods of waypoint selection for Autopilot use. Be REALLY careful of the 2nd method - it will navigate directly to the selected waypoint, over LAND if there is any. Much safer to use the 1st method and check the route on screen! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
splat 55 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 nice presentation Matt...Have finally purchased precision 9, zeus 3, wireless depth, speed and wind, a few triton 2s and AIS transceiver - looking forward to installation and commissioning in due course Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoffp 0 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Hi, sounds like a weath of knowledge in here. Am having some issues with Simrad gear. I have a NSS evo12 3s, GO12xse, nac 3 auto pilot, RF25n rudder feedback unit, Precession 9 compass, s5100 sounder module, AP44. It was commisioned by Simrad tech and worked fine for a period. We had to shift the motors back on the vessel by 300 mm there for the RF25N got moved and shifted back. From then on every time the pilot was engaged we got the message "no rudder response " message poping up. Even though this message was popping up it was still showing rudder movement in the NSS12 when spinning the wheel with the Autopilot pane opened up in the EVO 12. I tried to do a dock side commission the other day but failed that! Now it wont work at all. This gear is so complex! I followed the simrad comissoning video online but they where using Virtual Rudder Feedback not a RF25N so was extremely hard to follow. Vessel is in Whitianga, id be happy to pay anyone just about what ever they want to fix it! 021 597 216 is my number. Thanks for your help. Love reading the forums. Cheers Geoff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 430 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Geoffp said: Hi, sounds like a weath of knowledge in here. Am having some issues with Simrad gear. I have a NSS evo12 3s, GO12xse, nac 3 auto pilot, RF25n rudder feedback unit, Precession 9 compass, s5100 sounder module, AP44. It was commisioned by Simrad tech and worked fine for a period. We had to shift the motors back on the vessel by 300 mm there for the RF25N got moved and shifted back. From then on every time the pilot was engaged we got the message "no rudder response " message poping up. Even though this message was popping up it was still showing rudder movement in the NSS12 when spinning the wheel with the Autopilot pane opened up in the EVO 12. I tried to do a dock side commission the other day but failed that! Now it wont work at all. This gear is so complex! I followed the simrad comissoning video online but they where using Virtual Rudder Feedback not a RF25N so was extremely hard to follow. Vessel is in Whitianga, id be happy to pay anyone just about what ever they want to fix it! 021 597 216 is my number. Thanks for your help. Love reading the forums. Cheers Geoff What are you using to drive the rudder? Does that piece of kit work? In my limited experience that error is the result of a failed rudder drive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 No rudder response is pretty common. From standby, push the port or stb button. Does the rudder actually turn? Not does the drive run ( although check that 2) but does the rudder shaft move? If not, drive issue , if yes, Rudder angle sensor. No rudder response means AP is commanding rudder to move, but nothing happening. I'm a Simrad tech. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Dodgy reception, put in lots of spaces! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ballystick 72 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 My B&G autopilot with NAC3 suddenly started steering all over the place for no apparent reason. I tried adjusting rudder gain etc. but no real improvement. Finally I found the autopilot reset and that worked perfectly and still is!? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoffp 0 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Island Time said: No rudder response is pretty common. From standby, push the port or stb button. Does the rudder actually turn? Not does the drive run ( although check that 2) but does the rudder shaft move? If not, drive issue , if yes, Rudder angle sensor. No rudder response means AP is commanding rudder to move, but nothing happening. I'm a Simrad tech. Thanks so much for your reply, i should have mentioned the setup is on a 8.2 metre power boat with x2 200hp yamaha outboards. Thanks so much for your help and replies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Ok, so, press port or stb. Do the outboards actually turn? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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