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Yup. You can either obsess with the small details and pick holes in other folks efforts... or step back and see the bigger picture. 

Putting aside your possibly correct criticism of this particular article, do you think the gulf and its ecosystems are in good health?

Scottie, 2 things: 1.  It's an opinion piece, not a scientific paper. 2. It is basically lifted from NZ Geo magazine, so there may well be references in the mag that didn't get shown on the

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8 hours ago, Deep Purple said:

Bollocks. Winston Peters left the national party decades ago. He is donkey deep into the fishing industry

The fishing industry has both bases covered, on the one side they have Winston in their pocket and on the other hand National

 president Peter Goodfellow's family is the major shareholder in  Sanfords

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I'm always sceptical of any opinion piece when the author begins with the premise "while science is clear".  The piece is full of emotive and anecdotal comment and not a single independent reference, scientific or otherwise.

but ya know - feeelzzzzz!

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Stopped fishing couple of seasons ago. Read a book or go swimming instead. I know people who basically fill their day fishing in one spot or another taking pride in a photo of a bucket load of fish t at the end of the day. Totally unnecessary. Admittedly I don’t know exact numbers of private vs commercial catch but why don’t they turn the mantra “just catch what you can eat” into law by limiting the catch to 1 fish per person per day - that’s an obvious way to match catch with appetite. Yes I know, that’s totally unthinkable to the fishing addicts and fishing lobby.

But so was a 4 week lockdown 4 weeks ago.

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1 hour ago, ScottiE said:

I'm always sceptical of any opinion piece when the author begins with the premise "while science is clear".  The piece is full of emotive and anecdotal comment and not a single independent reference, scientific or otherwise.

but ya know - feeelzzzzz!

There's some pretty clear data in it, per the graphs.  Are you suggesting you think he made it up, or you want footnotes for every bit?  If the former, have a look at the data and go underwater with a mask on - it sure seems right.  If the latter, this is a magazine article not a peer-reviewed scientific journal and it's normal not to footnote it up the wazoo.  You won't get much COVID news read if you reject all graphs unless they're closely footnoted.

I think he's right to say the science is clear.  But hey, read the science and you'll know!

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