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"look up the science" eh? I would if the author had referened any of "it".  Instead he's just plagerised "the science" with not even an acknowledgement of source.  Forgive me for being sceptical of such a lack of professionalism.  Being a magazine does not excuse this behaviour.  Instead this behaviour just reinforces a lack of credibility. But hey that's just my opinion - if you like this kind of reading good for you.

As for voicing my scepticism of Mike Hosking on line - ya got me!  However I don't listen or read him unless asked to by a friend, becasue, well I'm sceptical of him too.  To his credit though, at least he does refer to others when stating his opinion - perhaps Mr. Frankham could learn something!

 

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Yup. You can either obsess with the small details and pick holes in other folks efforts... or step back and see the bigger picture. 

Putting aside your possibly correct criticism of this particular article, do you think the gulf and its ecosystems are in good health?

Scottie, 2 things: 1.  It's an opinion piece, not a scientific paper. 2. It is basically lifted from NZ Geo magazine, so there may well be references in the mag that didn't get shown on the

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You'd best read no COVID news Scottie - magazines and news outlets are breaching your professional standards rampantly, publishing graphs without footnoting the source. 

This is pretty normal journalism where the data is of the well-publicised official and settled kind.  Googling something like "state of the hauraki gulf 2020" will get you plenty about this report: https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/about-auckland-council/how-auckland-council-works/harbour-forums/docsstateofgulf/state-gulf-full-report.pdf which is in the same category.

This comprehensive unrebutted report was well covered when it came out.  Perhaps the author just assumed that anybody in NZ who cared at all about the state of the gulf might know this and that he's not writing for the totally uninformed.  

If you know of any credible science that undermines the above, I'd be interested to see it.    

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1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

Putting aside your possibly correct criticism of this particular article, do you think the gulf and its ecosystems are in good health?

It really depends on what you mean by "good health".  But in general terms there are parts of the gulf that are not particularly "healthy".  Understanding how quickly ecosystems adjust is intriging - I've watched this part of the river change quite a bit over the last 15-20 years.

 

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13 minutes ago, ScottiE said:

Wayne-o - why did you edit your post after I responded to it? 

I did it before you responded to it, or at least I started editing it before your response was showing.  Thought it risked seeming rude so dialled it back. 

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11 minutes ago, Wayne-o said:

I did it before you responded to it, or at least I started editing it before your response was showing.  Thought it risked seeming rude so dialled it back. 

fair enough

33 minutes ago, Wayne-o said:

You'd best read no COVID news Scottie - magazines and news outlets are breaching your professional standards rampantly, publishing graphs without footnoting the source. 

This is pretty normal journalism where the data is of the well-publicised official and settled kind.  Googling something like "state of the hauraki gulf 2020" will get you plenty about this report: https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/about-auckland-council/how-auckland-council-works/harbour-forums/docsstateofgulf/state-gulf-full-report.pdf which is in the same category.

This comprehensive unrebutted report was well covered when it came out.  Perhaps the author just assumed that anybody in NZ who cared at all about the state of the gulf might know this and that he's not writing for the totally uninformed.  

If you know of any credible science that undermines the above, I'd be interested to see it.    

and this?

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I am very concerned at the health of the Gulf. To try to do my bit, whenever we walk along the beach the kids pick up plastic, and when we are on the boat we turn around to fish plastic (normally bait bags) out of the water - gives the kids good practice with the boat hook!

On the land side of things it is heartening to see that now there are good Kiwi numbers on Motuhie, Motutapu, Rotoroa, Tiri, Kawau, Motuora, Little Barrier. I was on Motuhie recently watching the kiwi and Tuatara while looking at the sky tower. Awsome - wish we could fix below the surface as easily.

 

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