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The conditions of the license to operate the vessel include minimum manning requirements. If they did not meet them this is no surprise.

If you are involved in a car accident, not entirely your fault,  but you have no wof, do you expect the police would overlook that?

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1 hour ago, Island Time said:

The conditions of the license to operate the vessel include minimum manning requirements. If they did not meet them this is no surprise.

If you are involved in a car accident, not entirely your fault,  but you have no wof, do you expect the police would overlook that?

In the above instance and accident not your fault,  but you have no wof, do you expect the police would overlook that?

In one instance I know of the at fault vehicle was well illegal (no WOF, insurance, unlicensed et etc etc)   The innocent T-boned vehicle's insurance company decided the out of WOF parameters was not a determining factor in the occasion and paid out, the Police also left it alone. 

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33 minutes ago, Vorpal Blade said:

In the above instance and accident not your fault,  but you have no wof, do you expect the police would overlook that?

In one instance I know of the at fault vehicle was well illegal (no WOF, insurance, unlicensed et etc etc)   The innocent T-boned vehicle's insurance company decided the out of WOF parameters was not a determining factor in the occasion and paid out, the Police also left it alone. 

Be interesting over the next 6 months how many vehicles do not have WOFs as the govt have passed an exemption bill.Now will that give insurance COs an out??But it up to us to maintain to standards,lights/tread etc but how would one know if the pads are down and brakes not efficient? The insurance have said covered unless a major fault that caused the accident.

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I took my car in for a warrant even though all warrants are extended to September.

2 reasons, the government may give you time but your insurance company won't, check, you are probably not covered, also i don't want to be battling bookings from half the cars in NZ who's warrants are going to expire in the same month for the next however many years

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36 minutes ago, Deep Purple said:

I took my car in for a warrant even though all warrants are extended to September.

Same, strikes me the first person to have to deal with the issue of something being deficient is me. Why wait / risk it for 6 months? Some of the vehicles on the road are going to be a worry. I've always thought that if a dude (or dudess) can look at my car or trailer for 10 mins and find a fault I didn't know about - I should pass my man card in. No sexist connotations intended...

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Not sure if I'm on board with the "no WOF" argument.  The lack of an engineer had SWA to do with the boat running aground. Seems like a bit of excessive book throwing by MNZ - the young deckie, first trip out, was fined $1700.  Good way to encourage locals to join the fishing industry - not.

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Just now, Dtwo said:

Not sure if I'm on board with the "no WOF" argument.  The lack of an engineer had SWA to do with the boat running aground. Seems like a bit of excessive book throwing by MNZ - the young deckie, first trip out, was fined $1700.  Good way to encourage locals to join the fishing industry - not.

But also fishing out of zone.

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46 minutes ago, Island Time said:

Agree is hard on the new deckie though.

"He was joined by a deckhand, Michael Kingi, who had never been to sea before,"

If this line is true, I think its much worse than "hard". I think its a terrible action by MNZ.  Despite not following instructions, I think the deckhand had zero responsibility on that boat.  If the skipper was concerned about getting up at middnight he whould have set himself an alarm regardless.  A new bloke, never been to sea, on an 8-day working voyage, and you leave him on the helm approaching land? hmmmm I do wonder . . . 

 

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The dechand is responsible for this incident due to ignoring the skippers instruction imo. All he had to do was keep watch for 2 hrs. Should have been keel hauled as well as fined. The skipper would have been wise to set up a backup alarm however if the decky had just done as he was told the skipper would have taken over control of the boat 2.5hrs from the coast.. about 20 odd mile out.

**At about 10pm Lucas instructed Kingi on how to maintain a course and how to operate the boat. Lucas then went for a sleep, telling Kingi to wake him up if the weather changed, if boats came within three miles of the boat, and definitely no later than midnight, so he could guide the boat into port. But at midnight Kingi decided to stay on watch and to let Lucas get more sleep. Then Kingi himself fell asleep.**

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IMO,

Skipper did not provide adequate supervision, backup measures for rookie crewmember.

The skipper cannot have known the new crew  member capabilities in the short time they had worked together, and to solely entrust

a watch with a landfall bearing, under these circumstances, is negligent.

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I have never done an 8 day passage but I would like to think on day 8 I could trust a crew member to take a 2hr shift and not to start overiding the captains/skippers decisions.

Somehow I dont think the industry will be too upset about loosing this chap

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