Hapuka 0 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Great feedback thanks guys! I was unaware of the Cat One issue so I will have to look into that. Thanks for the background on The Wildthing Island Time.... any idea where the builder, Scott Norton , is now days?? Used to race against a 38 "Lionheart" in the sounds years ago and she went pretty well back then. Did a few Sth Island offshore races on Cutty Hunk a Farr 44 (looked like a bigger version of the 38) back in the 90's and she was a great boat offshore. Really after a coastal cruising boat thats got some speed and is fun to sail and can be sailed 2 up. Guess if you keep that big main flat and reef early she should be OK handling wise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 221 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 I’d get in touch with the one that has done all the RNI’s with SSANZ. Copelia, they would probably know all there is to know about 2 handing a Farr38 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 152 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Deep Purple said: I understood they were meant to have wheel steering but ended up mostly with tillers. I think this might have been the excuse from the Farr office after all the complaints about the helm weight but it was not true. Gary Hyde and Trevor Fell who jointly commissioned the design wanted tiller steered boats for racing and when the first drawings were released - I remember seeing the drawings in Sea Spray and thought what a great looking boat - they showed tiller steering. Of the first 30 odd boats launched in NZ only a couple had wheel steering, although in latter years a few have been retrofitted. My Farr 46 has a similar "barn door" rudder however is remarkably balanced, as long as the centreboard is down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 780 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Hapuka said: Great feedback thanks guys! I was unaware of the Cat One issue so I will have to look into that. Thanks for the background on The Wildthing Island Time.... any idea where the builder, Scott Norton , is now days?? Used to race against a 38 "Lionheart" in the sounds years ago and she went pretty well back then. Did a few Sth Island offshore races on Cutty Hunk a Farr 44 (looked like a bigger version of the 38) back in the 90's and she was a great boat offshore. Really after a coastal cruising boat thats got some speed and is fun to sail and can be sailed 2 up. Guess if you keep that big main flat and reef early she should be OK handling wise. Scott Norton used to be a member at Mana Cruising Club. Ask there.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 23 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Hapuka said: Great feedback thanks guys! I was unaware of the Cat One issue so I will have to look into that. Thanks for the background on The Wildthing Island Time.... any idea where the builder, Scott Norton , is now days?? Used to race against a 38 "Lionheart" in the sounds years ago and she went pretty well back then. Did a few Sth Island offshore races on Cutty Hunk a Farr 44 (looked like a bigger version of the 38) back in the 90's and she was a great boat offshore. Really after a coastal cruising boat thats got some speed and is fun to sail and can be sailed 2 up. Guess if you keep that big main flat and reef early she should be OK handling wise. A yacht called Lionheart foundered off Whangaroa in 83 , I think it was a Farr 38 returning from offshore, it was a terrible tragedy. I recall the slightly uncommon name of the skipper was the same as a bloke I went to school with, I always wondered if it was the same person, he survived as I recall, nice bloke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chariot 133 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 From what I recall of Lionheart it was more human era rather than boat failure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 658 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 I thought lionheart was a Lidgard. Missed tbe entrance due to over reliance on satnav. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chariot 133 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Black Panther said: I thought lionheart was a Lidgard. Missed tbe entrance due to over reliance on satnav. I think crew sea sickness and fatigue were the biggest problem from what I remember. Tried to enter Whangaroa rather than carry on to the BOI. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 658 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Seasickness and fatigue caused them to try to make the entrance on a lee shore in the dark and 50kn. They relied on satnav to get them in. It wasn't good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 152 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Lionheart was a timber Farr 38, built in Picton or Nelson . She was returning from the 82 Suva race, skippered by Grant Stapleton with a young crew of university students including Bo Birdsall's son. They had a miserable trip back, as did other boats returning from the race, and I believe one of the crew had been injured. I have been told the owner was insisting that Lionheart enter at Whangaroa and a fishing boat was sent out to try to guide them in using its own radar - not a good idea. They hit Stephenson Island, Grant and Rosemary (forget her surname, from a well known Auckland sailing family) were on deck and managed to get off, the other crew went down with Lionheart. Rosemary was in very bad shape and died on the island. A tragic and unnecessary event, as Chariot noted BOI would have been a much safer destination. ex Elly 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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