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1 hour ago, waikiore said:

One solution would be to take 10 cruisers at a time and let them in to Wharengaere Bay (crater bay) off the Te Puna inlet to anchor and serve out their time. Very sheltered from all quarters

the KeriKeri providores could easily supply them food and booze etc, we could string something across the entrance to stop them leaving, the locals could watch them and Winston could be called in to advise them that anyone coming ashore would be eaten.

As from next month the time spent offshore coming down here is to be taken off their quarantine anyway, I dont particularly care about the Superyacht crowd but we should be able to provide for the couples and families cruising the Pacific also bringing business to the Marine industry that would otherwise go to Aussie.

 

Why not put them in a quarantine facility like everyone else? I don't think accommodation is the problem, its the provision of monitoring, health checks and available health care that is the issue.

As we are finding out with this evangelical cluster, you can't just trust people to do what they are told. The consequences are too great. That is why the army is now running security at these places.

And I am a bit bemused by the thread title. Is NZ a seafaring nation? I think the vast majority of people got here on a jet plane. That would make us an aviation nation wouldn't it? Serious question, what makes a seafaring nation?

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I think you know what I meant but for the avoidance of doubt I was simply asking whether a country (like NZ) known for its close affinity to the sea (ocean racing, leisure cruising + adventures,  relatively high % boat ownership, AC pedigree, history of boat building, superyacht building & servicing etc etc) then would you not expect NZ to take an equally notable position relative to other countries with solving for the ‘cruisers caught out’ problem?

As I’ve observed before, other less noteworthy maritime nations seem to have found creative win-win solutions, so is NZ failing to live up to its innovative seafaring heritage, in this respect?

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1 hour ago, Aleana said:

I think you know what I meant but for the avoidance of doubt I was simply asking whether a country (like NZ) known for its close affinity to the sea (ocean racing, leisure cruising + adventures,  relatively high % boat ownership, AC pedigree, history of boat building, superyacht building & servicing etc etc) then would you not expect NZ to take an equally notable position relative to other countries with solving for the ‘cruisers caught out’ problem?

As I’ve observed before, other less noteworthy maritime nations seem to have found creative win-win solutions, so is NZ failing to live up to its innovative seafaring heritage, in this respect?

How many of the current politicians are sailors ?  Or even seafarers for that matter 

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2 hours ago, Aleana said:

I think you know what I meant but for the avoidance of doubt I was simply asking whether a country (like NZ) known for its close affinity to the sea (ocean racing, leisure cruising + adventures,  relatively high % boat ownership, AC pedigree, history of boat building, superyacht building & servicing etc etc) then would you not expect NZ to take an equally notable position relative to other countries with solving for the ‘cruisers caught out’ problem?

As I’ve observed before, other less noteworthy maritime nations seem to have found creative win-win solutions, so is NZ failing to live up to its innovative seafaring heritage, in this respect?

I understand your sentiment. And you put it very well. I'm not sure what the issues are within govt, but I get the impression this is not quite important enough to warrant the attention. The context for that comment is that they have only just gotten around to managing visa's for entry to partners of NZ citizens and residents. Announced today.

That, and there is an election on. There is a lot of increasing angst about C19, the lockdowns and what people are permitted to do, or not do. I would think to the general Joe Public, the optics of letting in a bunch of cruisers would be unfavorable. I can chuck in a whole lot of stereo types of bums laying about sailing the world etc, but I know that is not representative.

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I agree with both Fish and 44 that cruisers are not a high political priority.... but again I don’t imagine cruisers are a high priority for the Malaysian or Indonesian politicians either - but they seem to have found or way? Go figure!

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Update from Maritime NZ yesterday.. looks promising?

4. Small Craft Guidance update 
Operational instructions for small craft travelling to New Zealand over the coming weeks 
and months will soon be released. 
Maritime NZ along with other agencies including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Customs NZ, will 
be utilising various public and private communications channels throughout the Pacific to let small 
craft owners know what they need to do before coming to New Zealand. 
Messaging is still being developed but it will outline the required quarantine and isolation procedures 
as well as the location these vessels must initially report to. 
Further detail will be available soon and included in future Maritime Industry Updates.

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Looks like the pacific cruisers are now banned from coming to NZ this season...

 

Foreign yachties say lives now at risk from NZ decision

"Foreign yachties seeking refuge in New Zealand from seasonal Pacific cyclones are baffled by the response not to let them in."

"The club said lives and property were at risk, but the latest official response revealed a misunderstanding around the logistics of boat travel."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/426508/foreign-yachties-say-lives-now-at-risk-from-nz-decision

 

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9 minutes ago, ex Elly said:

Looks like the pacific cruisers are now banned from coming to NZ this season...

 

Foreign yachties say lives now at risk from NZ decision

"Foreign yachties seeking refuge in New Zealand from seasonal Pacific cyclones are baffled by the response not to let them in."

"The club said lives and property were at risk, but the latest official response revealed a misunderstanding around the logistics of boat travel."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/426508/foreign-yachties-say-lives-now-at-risk-from-nz-decision

 

curious as I had heard just in the last couple of days that customs et al were taking on extra resources in anticipation of the door being opened.

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This is a Stupid decision and will effect peoples well being, if not their lives.

  1. It is not realistic to tell the yachties out there to "go home" as voyages and seasons must align for small vessels to have the best chance of safe passage.
  2. There is no way to come to NZ safely once a cyclone is present!
  3. Most passages from the Islands are min 10 days, most of the quarantine is already done, so the risk is minimal
  4. This is a very big loss to the local marine industry

Yep the director general may be a good doctor, but he obviously has no understanding of small boat voyaging. :-(

 

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They will be fine.

The Govt is just hanging them out so when they say OK it'll be bigger news and hopefully make the international press.

 

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