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They should have registered the Anita as a super yacht what a complete fiasco.

If you have a bulging wallet then the borders are open but not for humanitarian purposes.

 Superyachts entering NZ border can quarantine at sea - if they spend millions in repairs before America's Cup.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12367974

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10 hours ago, Sabre said:

I am pissed about this. There is no logical or rational explanation for treating these sailors like this.

Well yes there sort of is rational and sort of a sh*t load of it.

As noted they did ask to come and were told No so what did they do, they thought f*ck you new Zealand, f*ck your laws, f*ck the reason for your laws, f*ck you, f*ck your people we are coming anyway.

Go to any border in the world and tell them to f*ck off when they don't open the gate, if you're lucky you'll only be turned around or deported.

Do not mix these law breaking 3 muppets with the so far law abiding boats in the pacific.

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11 hours ago, Sabre said:

I have just emailed all my local Labour MP's/candidates.

I am pissed about this. There is no logical or rational explanation for treating these sailors like this.

They were given (or took) safe harbour. They've been given food and water. Sounds like they got some free first world medical care as well (full medical check up & covid tests).

I wouldn't be surprised if they also have free round the world air tickets. You don't normally have to pay cash to be deported do you? Being returned free of charge to your home country from the other side of the world doesn't sound that bad to me. I have family members stuck on the other side of the world and can't get home.

There are plenty of countries you'd just get shot at if you tried crossing their border after expressly being told no. Its not like our Navy chased them back out into the South Pacific.

Is this really a bad outcome for them?

There are two underlying issues for all of these cruisers. One is they need to change their plans, due to a world wide pandemic. You simply can't continue cruising around the world right now. Same as no one goes through the Suez canal anymore due to piracy in the Indian Ocean. Sometimes you have to adapt to the prevailing conditions.

The other is the protection of their assets / property. They aren't keen to leave their assets in the islands, where all these islanders have to live year round and endure these cyclones. Sounds like a first world problem.

Now there boat is safe, and they are safe. Not sure what will happen to their boat now. Maybe they should have left it somewhere in the islands?

The issue you appear to have is they have been sent home after turning up. What is the alternative? Let them move in? Maybe they'd be happy to do your job for you, for half the pay? The whole immigration / border access arguement is to get people in who will work for less than NZ'ers.

And rule one in any crisis, you have to maintain the rule of law. Doesn't matter if you disagree with the decision, you must maintain law and order.

I think when you let the emotion die down, and think about what their situation was, and what alternatives they had, they have a fairly good outcome. They'll be happily drinking beer made under the Bavarian purity law and have freedom of movement across the EU before we are actually allowed to have a wee beach party after some little 2 handed race...

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"New Zealand's border restrictions are in place for a very good reason – to help stop the spread of Covid-19 and protect the health of New Zealand's population," 

The chance of these sailors passing covid 19 onto any New Zealander sits somewhere between nil and zero. 

So therefore what are they trying to achieve?

Are they simply trying to guage how far different sectors of society will bend over under the bullshit guise of public safety?

If that is the case then I am sure "they" will be very pleased as it turns out that a suprising number are very compliant... 

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36 minutes ago, twisty said:

It's interesting that on this site there is a lot of sympathy for cruisers from the islands. On SA I don't see much sympathy for them.

That is a good example, SA being Merican and all. What happens if you try entering the US illegally? They've been permanently confiscating your children, locking them in wire cages and deporting the adults back to what they were escaping from. Never mind your boat.

I am genuinely interested in these German's situation though. Bernard Moitissuer sailed from Tahiti to Europe. If you are stuck in Tahiti, need to get back to your own country, and want to take your boat with you, it has been done before...

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Realistically few if any of these boats/crew are up to a non stop passage from Tahiti to Europe via the Horn. That would be carnage. Most of them wouldn't have the range to sail back to Panama.  Can't  go north, can't go south,  cant stay put. 

What would you have done?

I think the next thing to happen will be a boat arriving and bypassing customs. 

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2 hours ago, Fish said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they also have free round the world air tickets. You don't normally have to pay cash to be deported do you? Being returned free of charge to your home country from the other side of the world doesn't sound that bad to me.

While they won't pay up front, they'll end up with the liability. NZ Govt may or may not have the ability recover this via various international treaties. 

One thing for certain, until that debt is settled, they won't even be considered for an NZ visa. And even after it is paid there's still no guarantee.

Their boat, if seized, will ultimately be sold, this would offset their deportation costs, any residual will be forfeit.

So not exactly 'free', but none the less it's an effective way to liquidate an asset if your intention was to spend every cent of it on airfares anyway. 

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1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

Realistically few if any of these boats/crew are up to a non stop passage from Tahiti to Europe via the Horn. That would be carnage. Most of them wouldn't have the range to sail back to Panama.  Can't  go north, can't go south,  cant stay put. 

What would you have done?

I think the next thing to happen will be a boat arriving and bypassing customs. 

I'd probably tell customs I'm entering NZ and come on in, on the basis you'd be treated fairly reasonably, and your human rights would be upheld I.e. not shot at, not detained in disease ridden crowded detention centres, and there is a reasonable chance of using the legal system to "get off", compared to a lot of other places.

I dont really have a problem with these duetch turning up. The bit I am surprised about is people  complaining when  they get deported, I.e. safely returned to their home country. 

I dont think that us a bad outcome... could be locked in a Panamanian jail with the drug dealers and desperados or nicely treated and sent ho e from NZ.

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5 hours ago, twisty said:

It's interesting that on this site there is a lot of sympathy for cruisers from the islands. On SA I don't see much sympathy for them.

Most there are not cruisers, and dont understand offshore cruising or ocean voyaging in average boats...

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36 minutes ago, Island Time said:

Most there are not cruisers, and dont understand offshore cruising or ocean voyaging in average boats...

Most there think it is perfectly normal to pull a gun on anyone with a funny ascent...

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9 hours ago, twisty said:

It's interesting that on this site there is a lot of sympathy for cruisers from the islands. On SA I don't see much sympathy for them.

From what I've seen and heard I have to totally agree with you, Crew.org does seem to be more an exception than the rule.

 

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