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While I don't agree with the decision, this is not about safety, its about property. All those affected can fly to their home country easily enough. The issue is what to do with their boat? The boat is property. Yes, they live on it etc, and it is their home etc.

Part of the demonstration of that is the arguement to let them in. It started that it was a humanitarian issue. Then it goes into the economic benefit to our marine industry, which is an economic issue.

At the end of the day, Syrian and Yemini refugees are a humanitarian issue. This is really just one of property value / protection and having to change plans.

Reading the press statement, it sounds like the issue boils down to resources / qualified staff to manage the arrival and quarantine of all these people. It probably isn't helped by an up coming election. The optics of all these poor people stuck on their boats in Tahiti, boat people seeking refuge in NZ etc etc. I don't hold those views, but its the optics that matter in politics...

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I don't see how they would be 'stuck' in Tahiti? With a Carte de Seyjour, they could easily sail to Nuka Hiva or sail to the eastern Tuamotu for hurricane season, or even Hawaii to the north. The

Well yes there sort of is rational and sort of a sh*t load of it. As noted they did ask to come and were told No so what did they do, they thought f*ck you new Zealand, f*ck your laws, f*ck the r

They want to come to NZ not because their son died, not because of weather problems, but because their broker says the yacht will sell more easily here. They left and buried their son in the uk,

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For the Govt 3 weeks out from an election it's about the what they stand to gain verse what they stand to lose from any decision. The boats and crews themselves aren't that the final decision will be based on.

I can see a few gains but no where near enough to offset the potential problems and downsides that would/could come with a 'Come on in' call.

If the Govt turned down commercial,a lot of super boats and a huge raft of non-marine related entries all of whom would out spend the cruzers by shite loads, then it's fair to say economics can't be very high on the Govts requirements for entry. Should it be? The answer to that all depends on your politics at the moment.

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We are really going to struggle in the Marine Industry this summer what Super yachts that are here and were supposed to stay here for the cup are now leaving as they can't get the owners in the country to use them so they are getting ready to leave now. 

This government is so narrow mind and fixated on one goal but not looking at how the country is actually going to make money to get them out of this fiscal hole. 

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If all the pointers now suggest the AC will be a flop on several fronts:

1. Commercially

2. Competitively

3. Experience & viewing spectacle

... then why not postpone it 12 months?

If they did it for the Olympics to preserve the spirit of the event then why not for the AC?

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On 21/09/2020 at 10:31 PM, Gappy said:

We are really going to struggle in the Marine Industry this summer what Super yachts that are here and were supposed to stay here for the cup are now leaving as they can't get the owners in the country to use them so they are getting ready to leave now. 

This government is so narrow mind and fixated on one goal but not looking at how the country is actually going to make money to get them out of this fiscal hole. 

Yeap. Just talking to one now very nervous 40m + SB skipper as he was told Monday night by the owner 'As I can't come into NZ, put the boat on a ship back to the Med ASAP'. All the work planed to be done on her in NZ has cancelled, that's 37K for us. Skipper and the Stew, the 2 full timers, are expecting the DMC once the boat is on the carrier.

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On 22/09/2020 at 9:23 AM, Aleana said:

If all the pointers now suggest the AC will be a flop on several fronts:

1. Commercially

2. Competitively

3. Experience & viewing spectacle

... then why not postpone it 12 months?

If they did it for the Olympics to preserve the spirit of the event then why not for the AC?

I've been pondering on why you see -

No2 when it was always going to be tiny so nothing has changed.

No3 when it's all geared for telly which can still happen so again nothing has changed.

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You’re probably right there’s not much competitive impact from Covid.

But viewing spectacle will be diminished by the lack of ‘buzz’ from seeing all the international visitors in Auckland both on water and land. And this ‘buzz’ is evident whether you are physically at the venue or watching TV from other side of the world. If it’s just a scene of kiwis watching with few other supporter flags being waved it will feel flat for viewers - and competitors surely?

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Weren't there more Kiwi flags at Bermuda and San Fan anyway? I know they have these dock out shows and stuff, but I don't feel they are central to the event, and I'm sure we can rent a crowd for those.

I think in reality there is a lot of networking behind the scenes by high net worth individuals. That is where a lot of the unspoken value is, and would have been good for local industry leaders etc to have gotten in amongst.

Think it was the other thread where It Got, or KM or who ever he is today was saying the owners can't get in to join their superyachts once their gazzillion dollar refits are finished. I thought the whole idea of that loop hole was so the high net worth individuals could get into NZ. The quid pro quo was to spend a mil or two on their boat while they were here.

There is benefit in letting the high net worth's in. Same as the movie people. Just needs to be managed properly, oh, and potentially needs to be transparent, or not.

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2 hours ago, Aleana said:

If it’s just a scene of kiwis watching with few other supporter flags being waved it will feel flat for viewers - and competitors surely?

Yeap, that is a very valid point.

1 hour ago, Fish said:

Think it was the other thread where It Got, or KM or who ever he is today

Back to Dazed n Confused aka standard operating conditions.

1 hour ago, Fish said:

There is benefit in letting the high net worth's in. Same as the movie people. Just needs to be managed properly, oh, and potentially needs to be transparent, or not.

Yeap there is but 3 weeks out from an election the optics of rich pricks swilling MOET and Caviar by the bucket load wouldn't go down well with the perceived labour voter base.

I am fully expecting a flood of rich pricks, the Pac Island cruzers and a raft of other such allowances to come in an hour or 2 after the election result is signed off.

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