splat 35 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 https://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/sites/default/files/2020-10/Draft AGM Minutes 2020_0.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOIGuy 124 Posted November 1 Author Report Share Posted November 1 4 hours ago, Black Panther said: I wonder how many non racers are not club members?? The total number of recreational vessels owned in New Zealand is currently estimated to be about 960,000 https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/safety-campaigns/documents/2018 Recreational Boating Participation Research.pdf There is actually quite a bit of research on this, I think sailing people was some where in the 400 -500 000 I've posted before on this but cant find it again. "In 2014, Auckland had over 135,000 registered boats" Market penetration by YNZ clubs is minuscule. YNZ makes a big show of its advocacy on behalf of yachities, maybe they should seek some funding from the 90% of yachties they are representing that are not paying for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 636 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 Thank you that's where I was heading with that question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Addem 33 Posted November 2 Report Share Posted November 2 15 hours ago, KM... said: What was the sales pitch by YNZ on that? Same old, same old. If they have individual details they can give benefits like the discount card, demonstrate to some Government organization they are representing us well. In my opinion none of it is valid if their constituency is clubs. what they really want it for is to access more funding for high performance by demonstrating they are gender and age diverse. BTW the new Privacy Act comes into force on 1st December and clubs supplying personal member info to YNZ without express permission will be a breach. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
splat 35 Posted November 3 Report Share Posted November 3 https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/safety-campaigns/documents/Recreational-boating-survey-2020.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KM... 780 Posted November 3 Report Share Posted November 3 On 2/11/2020 at 4:30 PM, Addem said: Same old, same old. If they have individual details they can give benefits like the discount card, demonstrate to some Government organization they are representing us well. In my opinion none of it is valid if their constituency is clubs. what they really want it for is to access more funding for high performance by demonstrating they are gender and age diverse. BTW the new Privacy Act comes into force on 1st December and clubs supplying personal member info to YNZ without express permission will be a breach. Hmmm.... yeap the usual. I don't know what it is but YNZ seem to be going out of their way to not recognise the problem they have. One is arrogance but many put that down to leadership being there so long it;s become a fiefdom, there are many signs there is something to that, how much is debatable. But the big one is this insistence they are club only yet they want direct access to the individuals. They seem either unwilling to accept if they go to the individual the individuals will regard YNZ as there for them. Ask around and most individuals do think YNZ is there for them, ask YNZ and they say Oh No that's not us we're only here for the clubs. So I do think YNZ is the author of much of the grief being aimed and attributed to them. The arrogance bit is due to YNZ near demanding clubs break the laws of the land just to suit their end game which is not the people whose info they are demanding. I do use the word 'demanding' intentionally, something else that does them no favours. The law we can't pass over info without asking permission first is not new, it;s been in for quite a long time. I asked my people and some were OK with the info being passed on but some sure weren't. But YNZ told me 'we want everyones or no ones' so we gave them no ones. That does seem to go against what they say they want the info for which just adds to the amount of haze boaties are trying to peer though to see why YNZ is really about. grantmc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
44forty 84 Posted November 3 Report Share Posted November 3 52 minutes ago, splat said: https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/safety-campaigns/documents/Recreational-boating-survey-2020.pdf Wow thanks , great but sobering info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 141 Posted November 3 Report Share Posted November 3 15 hours ago, splat said: https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/recreational/safety-campaigns/documents/Recreational-boating-survey-2020.pdf hmm, so there are ~960,000 boats, while the "top line survey" had a sample size of 2,006 of whom 910 were boaties, that's 0.095%. Not sure how representative the results are ntowithstanding their claims about margin of error Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 747 Posted November 3 Report Share Posted November 3 Yeah, I thought the same thing. I also thought most of the questions were not well formed, and the research was designed by a statistician not a boaty. An example is the wearing of lifejackets - they dont make allowances for boat size - for people who stay overnight or longer. Who wears a lifejacket to bed? It seems to have the mentality of day boats. armchairadmiral 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 141 Posted November 3 Report Share Posted November 3 9 minutes ago, Island Time said: Yeah, I thought the same thing. I also thought most of the questions were not well formed, and the research was designed by a statistician not a boaty. An example is the wearing of lifejackets - they dont make allowances for boat size - for people who stay overnight or longer. Who wears a lifejacket to bed? It seems to have the mentality of day boats. the survey was run by IPSOS https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/new-zealand-management-team they were probably supplied with a set of leading questions from MNZ, whose senior management as we all know has a raft of sea going experience - not Veladare 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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