Kevin McCready 29 Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just a quick warning if you come across this listing by "Jason" aka "Rudolf Shack" aka "rob289" aka "jason7773". He has multiple trademe identities and phone numbers and lots of BS stories, often involving his alleged dying mother and a deal which can't be refused. DO NOT BELIEVE a single word that comes out of his mouth. He's very good at using putty, bog and a lick of paint and making a wreck look like a nice boat. Be VEEEERRRYYY careful. Get an expert to look over any boat he has been near. https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/2867300902?bof=Dj3LAUED Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Above-the-Fold 9 Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 19/11/2020 at 2:36 PM, Black Panther said: . I found it better to start near where you want to end up. Then when you get a counter offer (won't happen if you start too low) say " I love your boat and would pay that if I could, but this is all I have". Exactly what happened when we bought Above the Fold. We gave the dealer our top number. He came back with something like: "If you can just come up a couple of grand, you'd get it." We replied that we'd have to sell a grandchild to get any more cash and resigned ourselves to not getting the boat. We were sitting in a pizza joint in Kingsland later that evening, drowning our disappointment, when the dealer called to say the owners had accepted our offer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 28 Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 The budget for a re-engine on my Carpenter 29 was approx 16K by doing the work myself, 20 to 22 K if I replaced the Sail drive leg as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 28 Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 20/11/2020 at 8:36 AM, Black Panther said: I spent most of my working life presenting low offers. What i observed was silly low offers were less effective than "reasonable but a bit light". The silly offer would just piss the vendor off and make the rest of the negotiations much harder . I found it better to start near where you want to end up. Then when you get a counter offer (won't happen if you start too low) say " I love your boat and would pay that if I could, but this is all I have". But what would I know. Good words there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 167 Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Frank said: The budget for a re-engine on my Carpenter 29 was approx 16K by doing the work myself, 20 to 22 K if I replaced the Sail drive leg as well. a thumbsuck rule for total re-engine cost for an "end to end" shaft drive replacement is double the engine cost (for a new engine). Could be a little less depending on how much you can do yourself. A saildrive replacement will be a little less than that factor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chariot 147 Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, marinheiro said: a thumbsuck rule for total re-engine cost for an "end to end" shaft drive replacement is double the engine cost (for a new engine). Could be a little less depending on how much you can do yourself. A saildrive replacement will be a little less than that factor That's about right. New engine was 14k, total cost old engine out and new one in 23k. That's a 30 hp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 28 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 22/11/2020 at 8:51 AM, marinheiro said: a thumbsuck rule for total re-engine cost for an "end to end" shaft drive replacement is double the engine cost (for a new engine). Could be a little less depending on how much you can do yourself. A saildrive replacement will be a little less than that factor Yep, agree with that, anecdotally I heard of a 34 footer where the instructions were " Replace the engine and send me the bill" 50K later ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 12 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 geez and i thought i paid up for install, mine was 22k engine, saildrive, and prop, install was 4k and fridge change about the same Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 786 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 it all depends on what you have, boat and engine, and what you are going to. I wrote an article about that for Island Time a while back, and I chose the easiest engine to fit to my engine space for that reason. See : I can certainly see how you could spend an additional $15K + if there was lots of boat building to do, or changing from Sail Drive to shaft, or vice versa, or had to move mounts and structure etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 167 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, Young Entertainer said: geez and i thought i paid up for install, mine was 22k engine, saildrive, and prop, install was 4k and fridge change about the same its swings and roundabouts. When you buy your sail drive it comes with the leg, prop and possibly the moulded engine base. On a shaft drive install, particularly if you are increasing the installed power which requires an increased shaft size, to get to this equivalent point you need to replace the shaft coupling, shaft, stern gland, cutlass bearings, strut and prop. Then you will need a new stern tube (those GRP tube/strut assemblies Henleys make are a good option) and possibly engine bed mods. Many engine replacements of either config will require a new exhaust (I had to increase from a 2" to 3" exhaust, ridiculous for a 54hp NA engine but Yanmar would not budge), a new shifter and cables will be a good idea. If you have a second alternator and/or fridge compressor you will be looking at mounts for these, pulleys etc. So yes, it is easy for costs to run away if you are not careful Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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