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Reaping the benefits of decades of road haulage industry lobbying.  

Had a scary email in from freight people about how ships are now having to wait 10 plus days to get into Port Akl. So that means a lot of gear due here for Xmas will not make it. It also means the shi

Yeah I’m aware trucks are the only option right now ....im Just comparing the future upgraded northland line with the current auck/ham/Tauranga link that seems to work ok passing through all 3 major c

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1 hour ago, Veladare said:

Ill give you 2 of the 20 odd reasons

1. some of the tunnels cant fit the containers

2. there is no line from the port to northern line.... so they will need to be trucked from the port to the siding 25 odd km away

There is a lot of work going on on the Auck / Whg line with tunnel beds being lowered and heavier grade rails and concrete sleepers being laid. I'm not sure whether they have started on the North port spur line though. Would the Onehunga marshalling yards be suitable (if they still exist) be where they could make up trains for the North?

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We're supplying someone a pile of gear to hang lectric wires off on the northern line. As Steve mentions they have started work trying to make the track to North Port less then useless. There is some spots of much activity interspersed with more spots nothing has or is happening.

I may have taken my WR for a wee ride up the side of some sort of track that runs thru then north of Munga's ;)

But in better news my container did land in NZ yesterday and not in North Port but Tauranga. It's near the top of the list so fingers crossed it hits a train to metroport later this evening. Not so good new about the one following due Dec 21, looks like that's now January some time, bugger!!!

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5 hours ago, harrytom said:

https://www.kiwirail.co.nz/what-we-do/projects/northland-rail-rejuvenation

Trucks are the only option North and thats only if they are not carrying elsewhere.Driver shortage not helping either.But wait the Govt annouced a week or so ago that they have 100 inmates who could potentially get there HT.Will they pass a drug test though??

Yeah I’m aware trucks are the only option right now ....im Just comparing the future upgraded northland line with the current auck/ham/Tauranga link that seems to work ok passing through all 3 major centres . 

im not interested in the political argument ....port of Tauranga has no room to expand ....Auckland has no room to expand ....Hamilton is building a mega inland port with Tainui holdings and port of Tauranga holdings stumping up with the land and the cash ....port of Tauranga has a major stake in northport and Auckland’s metro port  ....northport has 700 acres of bare land to expand plus the refinery is probably going to shut down freeing up more land and wharfage .....why wouldn’t a rail link from a congestion free northport to Auckland’s  metro port and ruakura inland port not work ?  



 

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7 hours ago, 44forty said:

Yeah I’m aware trucks are the only option right now ....im Just comparing the future upgraded northland line with the current auck/ham/Tauranga link that seems to work ok passing through all 3 major centres . 

im not interested in the political argument ....port of Tauranga has no room to expand ....Auckland has no room to expand ....Hamilton is building a mega inland port with Tainui holdings and port of Tauranga holdings stumping up with the land and the cash ....port of Tauranga has a major stake in northport and Auckland’s metro port  ....northport has 700 acres of bare land to expand plus the refinery is probably going to shut down freeing up more land and wharfage .....why wouldn’t a rail link from a congestion free northport to Auckland’s  metro port and ruakura inland port not work ?  



 

No problem running a line to Northland but lets do it properly and put a double line in.Electric?? Very few main trunk trains are running electric,stayed at national park recently and yep diesil engines.Apparently cheaper and more efficient.

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11 hours ago, 44forty said:

Yeah I’m aware trucks are the only option right now ....im Just comparing the future upgraded northland line with the current auck/ham/Tauranga link that seems to work ok passing through all 3 major centres . 

im not interested in the political argument ....port of Tauranga has no room to expand ....Auckland has no room to expand ....Hamilton is building a mega inland port with Tainui holdings and port of Tauranga holdings stumping up with the land and the cash ....port of Tauranga has a major stake in northport and Auckland’s metro port  ....northport has 700 acres of bare land to expand plus the refinery is probably going to shut down freeing up more land and wharfage .....why wouldn’t a rail link from a congestion free northport to Auckland’s  metro port and ruakura inland port not work ?  



 

I have often wondered with all the hullaballoo about global warming and sea rise, all our ports, oil refinery etc;  will be under water??

The Refinery is only now doing what Muldoon stopped them doing back in the 1980's, which gave them a gold plated refinery at no cost to themselves, funded by the tax payer. and that was / is importing finished product directly from Singapore. Of course they own the Singapore refinery, so they suffer no financial losses.

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The refinery is already paring back its operations. They are ceasing bitumen production next year, so all of that product will need to be imported, and there aren't that many ships than can effectively trans ocean ship it that would also economically come to NZ. Might slow down the road building a bit....

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At a macro scale, I'm fascinated with the impact of the ports on the wider economy.

Back in the day it was the Watersiders striking, holding the whole country to ransom.

Now its the Shareholders, trying to squeeze out the last few drops of dividends, and f**king everything up in the process.

I wonder if the pendulum will swing back to a comfortable middle ground, where the port runs reliably, the owners aren't trying for exponential growth year on year (or extending into the harbour, or making their pilot boat skippers speed around North Head), and staff can work for reasonable wages, but also not take the piss in this historical arm wrestle with the port management.

Ed's comments about bitumen is both fascinating and alarming. Not particularly helpful when you are trying to roll out a massive infrastructure led economic recovery. I wonder, if at big picture level, its cheaper for the govt (or NZTA for example) to fund or subsidize an NZ based bitumen plant, than it is to try and trans-ship it on open market commercial grounds. Either that, or NZ buys its own boat suitable for shipping it.

I'm sure some here would site the current govt's socialist credentials in such 'meddling', but sometimes capitalism comes up with perverse outcomes and some string pulling by the 'central committee' is warranted.

Certainly for all the SME's that can't sell their stock before Christmas, there is a wide spread and insidious economic impact.

There were seven box ships anchored north of Rangitoto on Sunday... That is a lot of $$$ someone has paid for, just sitting out there in a que.

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23 minutes ago, Ed said:

The refinery is already paring back its operations. They are ceasing bitumen production next year, so all of that product will need to be imported, and there aren't that many ships than can effectively trans ocean ship it that would also economically come to NZ. Might slow down the road building a bit....

I thought they had stopped bitumen production when the Hydro Crackers were installed, Hence all the crap bitumen and chip resurfacing failures, using poorer quality imported bitumen?

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The international average for break even on rail is between 340 and 600kms. (I have this figure somewhere, Ill try and find it)... depending on where you are.

Northport is 140 odd km away. It makes no economic sense to bring ships in to there and then rail to Auckland. They cant anyway as there is only one line and its buggered... but this isnt going to stop them trying.  Ive done four fact finding missions to large overseas ports and rail links in the last 10 years. It doesnt stack up and it never will stack up.

If we are going to move the port, and it has taken me a decade to finally accept that we may need to, the only option is to build a new one, and the only two options we have are in the Manukau, or Kaiaua. Both have their positives, and both have their negatives. I have my preference, which is based solely on the most efficient and cost effective factors.

But one thing that is very clear to me, Northport is a nonstarter on every scale, bar the political one.

That and every freight train will roll though the CRL and Newmarket train station. Im yet to see a system anywhere in the world where they run freight and passenger on the same line, in fact, when Ive asked this question, every time, the look back I have had has been priceless.

Then there is the environmental impact, which I havent measured, but someone probably has

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