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1 hour ago, KM... said:

Contrary to the twitterati, or so you'd think by their pile on, I do have a issue with Govts saying one thing and doing another.

Contrary to the fetid imaginations of the contrarians, nothing described so far by the OP signals anything other than complete compliance by the Govt with its published policy and practise.

It may be tough, it may not be justifiable and it may even be ludicrous theatre, but as anyone who has been through the laughable pantomime of airport security in the US, we don't have that on our own.

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A promising start.   The border is not 100% secure to Covid in the same way that our border is not 100% secure to anything.  This is why the testing takes place at entry and in MIQ. T

NYS, the vast majority of foreign cruisers would rate your getting entry into NZ in the current world situation up there with winning lotto. On top of that you say the cost of your quarantine is being

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2 hours ago, KM... said:

Contrary to the twitterati, or so you'd think by their pile on, I do have a issue with Govts saying one thing and doing another.

Good post KM, thought provoking.

Only issue is that NYS is spinning you a line.

The COVID-19 Public Health Response (Maritime Border) Order (No 2) 2020 came into effect from 11.59pm on Sunday 6 September and replaced the previous Order, that governs persons who arrive in New Zealand by sea.

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If you arrive prior to 12 days, everyone on board will be required to go into a managed isolation facility for the remainder of the isolation time. You will not be able to isolate on board. This is covered in more detail in the following section.

NYS didn't spend five weeks at sea. Their last stop was a sneaky into Tonga, 7 days out from NZ. So they were well inside the 12 day requirement, that was stated 2 months before they left Tahiti.

They also stopped at Pago Pago. Slightly different to his statement that they 'remained fully isolated', they weren't tied up to the quarantine bouy the whole time, but were actually tied up to the town quay.

So the fundamental problem here is that the Govt actually did what they said they were going to do, and they said that 2 months before NYS left Tahiti. So how is it that the Govt is saying one thing and doing another? Sounds more like NVS was hoping they'd do something else.

Underlying all of this, I don't see the hardship in having to quarantine. If they were denied entry mid voyage, I would be up in arms. If there was some fundamental injustice, I'd be backing them up. Doing MIQ is a slight inconvenience. The bit that is pissing me off is the entitled attitude of complaining about having to do MIQ after actually managing to obtain permission to enter NZ.

There would be a far greater pile on if we get put into lock down and couldn't go sailing over Christmas, cause Customs let a breach though the border, wouldn't there?

Based on the date of the maritime border notice #2, I could almost imagine an apology being in order from the original poster. It would appear the actual problem was his sneaky stop in Tonga. Not the govt changing its mind.

https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/maritime-border/nz-maritime-border-controls/#:~:text=30 June 2020.-,The COVID-19 Public Health Response (Maritime Border) Order,with a range of exceptions.

https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/maritime-border/private-yachts-and-small-craft/guidance-for-small-craft-and-yacht-arrivals-in-new-zealand/

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37 minutes ago, chariot said:

I thought Sir Bob was spot on.

The Bob Jones thing, there is this latest fashion of needing 'Diversity of Thought'. Hence women on boards, LGBTIQ, diversity and inclusion drives, race based quotas everywhere, even if no-one will admit there are quotas. The only issue is when you get some diversity of thought from a source they don't like, everyone gets upset. Its still diversity of thought. 

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1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

WTF has Bob Jones to do with this? I'm getting lost.

Some were likening KM's post / writing style to Bob Jones, which I took as a vailed criticism of KM. My point is that diversity of thought is a good thing, even when you disagree with what is said.

In this context, I wouldn't want KM's writing style to get in the way of the key points. Firstly, I think KM is wrong (although well intentioned), and the main point, being the rules (Maritime Border Notice # 2) was in place even before NYS applied to enter NZ. So I can't see what rules were changed? 

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21 hours ago, NorthlandYS said:

. Certainly does make me wish we were happy and free in Fiji and lending other cruisers a hand getting ready for this storm instead of dealing with this mindless bureaucracy!

Head out of the Harbour & turn left. Fair winds & all that stuff. Oh, there will be 2 weeks in quarantine when you arrive there, like everywhere else in the world at present, so maybe take a book?

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22 hours ago, NorthlandYS said:

Certainly does make me wish we were happy and free in Fiji and lending other cruisers a hand getting ready for this storm instead of dealing with this mindless bureaucracy!

Cyclone Yasa: Powerful storm to make landfall, Fijians told to expect widespread destruction

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cyclone-yasa-powerful-storm-to-make-landfall-fijians-told-to-expect-widespread-destruction/BVRUTYIZH25BVEWNUHXADROXVI/

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