Black Panther 699 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Carry on undeterred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zozza 127 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 41 minutes ago, 44forty said: Looks like we will have our usual sh*t start for the Route 66 then 😁 lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 659 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, KM... said: If they tilted the Interceptor 4.5 degrees the other way the contents would have ended up heading south then out to Mangere for treatment. But they choose to head north and use the harbour instead. Mwahaha, I didn't know you knew what a long section even was KM. I'm sure if infrastructure design was that easy, everyone would be doing it. Just as everyone is selling anchors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 659 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 To give this pipe a bit more context, currently poohs spill into all manner of water courses, best example is Cox's creak. There are sins along there to not let your dog go in hte water, it stinks. It is right alongside a nice walking track and borders recreational reserves and sports grounds. it then goes into Cox's bay, on the beach there, where the sea scouts are and many moored boats. This pooh pipe gets it out of the streams, beaches and bays, and straight into the tidal stream, in the deep water. I believe (but haven't verified this), that the pipe will only discharge on the outgoing tide. Dispite KM's assertion its not a channel there, there is very strong tidal streams and very good dispersion. I tried paddle boarding down there recently. Damn stupid idea, the harbour has been built out so much its just a fast flowing ditch. i'm not sure why you guys bother trying to race down there to be honest. This pipe will substantially reduce the environmental impact of the current very major problem of combined SW and WW. Black Panther and Priscilla II 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KM... 876 Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 16 hours ago, Fish said: Mwahaha, I didn't know you knew what a long section even was KM. I'm sure if infrastructure design was that easy, everyone would be doing it. Just as everyone is selling anchors. I didn't until I listen to the large team of engineers arguing it out. One point was that angle and it came up a fair bit but was very really challenged which does strongly suggest one of 3 things. 1 - The engineers were scared of the cancel culture rampant today so just STFU rather than say anything. 2 - The engineers didn't want to piss off a cash cow i.e. the Council. 3 - What was being said was indeed correct. 2 hours ago, Fish said: Dispite KM's assertion its not a channel there, there is very strong tidal streams and very good dispersion. You'll find my assertion is quite the opposite. We did argue that the councils term 'channel' was more marketing bullshit as the end was no where near a 'channel' and if they were genuine in making the best of a shitty situation they should push the outflow 200m further out into a genuine channel where the stronger and more directional flows would disperse the nasty far further far faster in far deeper water than the current plan. They declined, on cost grounds from what I was told. A recent study showed a lot of what will come out of that pipe will swirl around the area for a considerable amount of time and a lot will not make it east of the bridge. Meola Reef is likely to capture a fair bit. Luckily most of the outflow will just be dirty water. But I am flattered you think I have some sort of super human abilities, I don't and I very much doubt I'd want them, I'll leave all that the the Wa dutyfree and Black Panther 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 207 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 On 14/01/2021 at 5:23 PM, Black Panther said: Carry on undeturd. There - fixed it for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 207 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Tilting the pipe as KM so simplistically puts it presents a range of other problems - including the treatment capacity at Mangere. As a technical option it exists, but as a practical and do-able option, it doesn't. As mentioned earlier, the issue is really one of funding. Everyone wants great infrastructure but the funding mechanisms mean that costs do not fall where they rise, so the wrong people end up paying (by timing - we load the cost on future generations as debt), and those who are asked to pay won't (ratepayers won't accept the cost being front-loaded even though they get the benefit). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 291 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 If council Had listen 40 yrs ago When mayor Robbie was in we may not be so much poo Council probably had the funds to fix but went with Len Browns train set,Who will benefit from it?? Take Downtown and surrounding areas,housed bussiness,maybe 200k people 9 to 5? now turn all those properties in to apartments and house 27/7 500k what do you think will happen to the infrastructure? its not rocket science,more people = more water/sewage/transportation of some sort. aardvarkash10 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 207 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 23 hours ago, harrytom said: If council Had listen 40 yrs ago When mayor Robbie was in we may not be so much poo and the ratepayers wouldn't pay for it. Council is on a hiding to nothing and this is across the country. The legislation around funding for horizontal capital items makes it impossible for them to put the work in up front. It looks like the three waters (or at least two of them) will move to national control and management shortly, so this whole issue will resolve itself over time since govts have a much greater ability to fund infrastructure harrytom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 291 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said: and the ratepayers wouldn't pay for it. Council is on a hiding to nothing and this is across the country. The legislation around funding for horizontal capital items makes it impossible for them to put the work in up front. It looks like the three waters (or at least two of them) will move to national control and management shortly, so this whole issue will resolve itself over time since govts have a much greater ability to fund infrastructure Our Water supplier "watercare" in Papakura got sold off a number of yrs ago to a French company"Viola" with the pretense of cheaper rates.Yesh right.Our 3 monthly water bill is arox $270 which has a factor of 80% waste charge built in. they believe %80 of incoming ends being out going and if you want a metre on outgoing expect to pay $3.5k.My arguement is/was our laundry water and shower water are syphoned to tank to water garden.But spend $3.5k for a metre yeah/nah.Suck it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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