lewis 0 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hi , Newbie here. Looking for any info on this yacht, https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/2941950192?bof=frkHzxbZ Seems like a lot of boat for the price. Im interested in some history of the boat who built her etc... from what I can find on the net quality can vary in the fit out. Im exploring purchase so any info greatly appreciated. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 35 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 For a steel boat survey you must have a “plate thickness meter” and get into every spot. I once helped a friend prepare an old steel boat for the water again. As we were about to relaunch it was discovered by accident that a significant part of the hull was paper thin; it had rusted from the inside. Now I'm older and wiser. Old steel boats have also basically fallen apart after being hauled out for inspection. Don't be afraid to give the steel a good solid whack with the pointy end of a welders hammer. If the steel is in good condition it won't matter a jot. If it's thin, the hammer will go through. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 461 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 While that's true Kevin, the owner is probably not going to be happy with holes punched into his Hull. So I would suggest a less aggressive means of testing. Yes it's a good deal Lewis. There are many very good deals to be had at the mo and I suspect it could become more and more common, for a raft of reasons that are all coming together to pinch hard Boat owners struggling to keep a Boat. The questions you need to ask is what are your sailing plans for the future. These are not fast boats, but more a Cruising vessel and well suited to take you off shore if you want. They have plenty of room. However, she was launched in the mid 80's and that may mean old equipment. So make sure you consider that in your budget when you look at her. That could also be why she is cheap. If you have to update Sails, Electronics, Anchor winch and Sheet winches and maybe rigging, that suddenly makes the cheap part not so much. But don't let those warnings put you off taking a look. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewis 0 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Kevin McCready said: For a steel boat survey you must have a “plate thickness meter” and get into every spot. I once helped a friend prepare an old steel boat for the water again. As we were about to relaunch it was discovered by accident that a significant part of the hull was paper thin; it had rusted from the inside. Now I'm older and wiser. Old steel boats have also basically fallen apart after being hauled out for inspection. Don't be afraid to give the steel a good solid whack with the pointy end of a welders hammer. If the steel is in good condition it won't matter a jot. If it's thin, the hammer will go through. Hi, Thanks for the reply. We would be looking at putting her through a full survey which I would hope will show up any issues. Good advice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewis 0 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, wheels said: While that's true Kevin, the owner is probably not going to be happy with holes punched into his Hull. So I would suggest a less aggressive means of testing. Yes it's a good deal Lewis. There are many very good deals to be had at the mo and I suspect it could become more and more common, for a raft of reasons that are all coming together to pinch hard Boat owners struggling to keep a Boat. The questions you need to ask is what are your sailing plans for the future. These are not fast boats, but more a Cruising vessel and well suited to take you off shore if you want. They have plenty of room. However, she was launched in the mid 80's and that may mean old equipment. So make sure you consider that in your budget when you look at her. That could also be why she is cheap. If you have to update Sails, Electronics, Anchor winch and Sheet winches and maybe rigging, that suddenly makes the cheap part not so much. But don't let those warnings put you off taking a look. Thanks for the reply. Thats the exact reason for purchase, cruising with the family with the possibility of some offshore travel one day. The owner can supply a rigging survey, that should show any old gear I presume. However before going ahead we would be getting the hull surveyed as well. Im just apprehensive as it almost seems a bit to good to be true for the price. Also I dont want a big project. Im happy to have some costs as with any boat, but I dont want to be spending big money straight off the bat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 402 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 33 minutes ago, lewis said: TThe owner can supply a rigging survey, that should show any old gear I presume. However before going ahead we would be getting the hull surveyed as well. Im just apprehensive as it almost seems a bit to good to be true for the price. Also I dont want a big project. Im happy to have some costs as with any boat, but I dont want to be spending big money straight off the bat. A survey commissioned by and for the owner is no insurance for you. The only way to do this is to get a qualified person (or business) to carry out a full survey to your specification. They will need to know intended use as a part of that and if off-shore in this yacht is your intention they need to know that. For a steel yacht of that age and your intended use I'd go for a full rig inspection and report, a hull/deck/superstructure survey and a mechanical and systems survey (engine, gearbox/drive, electrical, electronics). It will be pricey, but you have the reassurance and the surveyor's public liability insurance to fall back on if a problem presents later. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewis 0 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 24 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said: A survey commissioned by and for the owner is no insurance for you. The only way to do this is to get a qualified person (or business) to carry out a full survey to your specification. They will need to know intended use as a part of that and if off-shore in this yacht is your intention they need to know that. For a steel yacht of that age and your intended use I'd go for a full rig inspection and report, a hull/deck/superstructure survey and a mechanical and systems survey (engine, gearbox/drive, electrical, electronics). It will be pricey, but you have the reassurance and the surveyor's public liability insurance to fall back on if a problem presents later. Fair point on the rigging inspection. A full survey was my intention. We basically have a total budget of about 60K. I am anticipating spending some money on her or whatever boat we end up with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 461 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Never be in a rush to buy. There are always deals if you remain patient...... I need to take my own advice as well. I see deals and wish I had some money. One day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romany 93 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 And be very, very careful who u engage to survey 4 you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 402 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 hours ago, lewis said: Fair point on the rigging inspection. A full survey was my intention. We basically have a total budget of about 60K. I am anticipating spending some money on her or whatever boat we end up with. So you need to spread that as $40k for the purchase including survey one year insurance and three months mooring, and $20k for your first year operating/reconfiguring to suit you/deferred CAPEX. It will vary a bit, but that is what I'm seeing and what friends/family have experienced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 840 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 We saved a lot by not making any changes for the first 3 years. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wild violet 33 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 My old man used to own one,wheels is wrong they sail very well.Looks like a lot of boat for the money.Taras excell at punching upwind ive sailed one at 11 knots steady downwind as well very powerful boats.Check the bilges very throughly for any corrosion in the add it says it has a needle gun on board so must have had some rust in the past. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 461 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 10 hours ago, wild violet said: My old man used to own one,wheels is wrong they sail very well. I did not say they sailed poorly. I said they are a Cruising Boat. As in, not a light weight flat hull fin keeled fast machine like many modern boat designs, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 36 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Something else to be aware of is that the condition of the sails, a sailmaker will give you an opinion. I had a mate who was close to buying a boat but the engine oil analysis showed a high moisture content and I think sodium (salt) so that might be worth doing as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 36 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Something else to be aware of is that the condition of the sails, a sailmaker will give you an opinion. I had a mate who was close to buying a boat but the engine oil analysis showed a high moisture content and I think sodium (salt) so that might be worth doing as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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