candela 0 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hi, I am looking at repowering my Whiting 29. We have looked at most of the options and are looking at the Lombardini saildrive. Has anyone got good or bad things to say about them?? Interested to hear anything I have not managed to find any talk about them online and dont want to spent that much money without hearing something. Link to post Share on other sites
Absolution 7 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 What have you got in there at the moment? That can make a big difference to the cost i.e. If you need to replace the engine bed or not. Link to post Share on other sites
candela 0 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 We currently have a Volvo sail drive so we are going to have to change the bed out but its still working out a lot cheaper to do that then stay with Volvo. I know Volvo are a good motors but they are expensive, heavy and we have found the parts to be very expensive. It is going to be a few thousand cheaper to change the bed then to stay with Volvo. Link to post Share on other sites
Absolution 7 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I repowered with a beta marine engine but retained the Volvo sail drive and the original engine bed. The beta came with a bell housing that bolted straight onto the sail drive and the engine came with mounts that bolted straight into the Volvo engine bed. it made for a very easy install! I looked at lombardini and Nanni too but the install costs were all going to be higher as well as a higher purchase price. Link to post Share on other sites
Bimini Babe 0 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Beta, Beta, Beta. They do customised mounts so you might not have to change the engine bed - check with Andy at The Engine Room. Expecting mine any day now... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Bloody powerboaters Link to post Share on other sites
candela 0 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Need to bet bays flyer Some how. If I go Lombardini it's 80kg lighter then what is currently in there. After that and taking some weight out up top he has no hope Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 And they think an arms war is only a AC thing. In 2 or 3 years we'll have both a Maunder and W29 weighing in at 975kg and using TP52 rigs with 1.75mm halyards 80kg... holy shite that massive. Surely knot that much difference is there? Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I think you'll find the Beta (kubota) fairly close to the lombardini in weight, The beta conversions are excellent and well priced. Link to post Share on other sites
w44vi 17 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 80kg... holy shite that massive. Surely knot that much difference is there? Must have a fly wheel off a bukh Link to post Share on other sites
candela 0 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 In the Volvo hand book it says that the complete unit is 200kg ish dry( I can't remember the exact number) and the Lombardini is 124kg ish. It will be interesting to see what moving that kind of weight does to the boat. Link to post Share on other sites
candela 0 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 In 2 or 3 years we'll have both a Maunder and W29 weighing in at 975kg and using TP52 rigs with 1.75mm halyards 2 years KM??? You told me you had the new rig coming for me Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 yanmar... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 In 2 or 3 years we'll have both a Maunder and W29 weighing in at 975kg and using TP52 rigs with 1.75mm halyards 2 years KM??? You told me you had the new rig coming for me Knot quite but I do know a similar size boat has talked to someone about a carbon rig. I suspect the Minster in charge of Profit Disbursement and Shoe Acquisitions, may squash that idea though. But then he did say he was allowed to buy more boat stuff and she had brought $10 worth of plants. How he translated that into a 'I can now buy a carbon mast' I have no idea but you've gotta give him points for trying :) Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 We've got a 2 metre carbon prod on the front of Airship (Ross930). I reckon it's conservative... You could probably got to 3 or maybe even 3.5 metres on the front of a Whiting 29. Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Dave 5 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I would choose Yanmar Link to post Share on other sites
Absolution 7 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Jive Talking went in the water with a Lombardini and it was pulled out after only 3-4 years. Replaced with a Beta I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Those little Beta/Kubota engines can do some serious hours. We had a few in Kubota B2200 4wd tractors in the late 80's and 90's, one had done 15,000 hours and was still running sweet. As tractor power units they never ever gave a problem. Link to post Share on other sites
too_tall 15 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Those little Beta/Kubota engines can do some serious hours. We had a few in Kubota B2200 4wd tractors in the late 80's and 90's, one had done 15,000 hours and was still running sweet. As tractor power units they never ever gave a problem. And knowing tractors, they would get a far harder life ( shock loading, stalling under load, etc ) than in a boat. Possibly running at far higher revs and with challenging cooling situations also. In larger boats, I have heard brilliant things of John Deere motors - admittedly they are not ground up marine designs, but they are industrial engines, designed for max power at low RPM, and to do extended hours. I use all JD tractors, and the engines are simply stunningly reliable, robust and forgiving of abuse. Price? I believe that an 85HP JD marine motor is around $19K. Thats not a huge amount more than your Beta/Volvo/Yanmar motors, although probably weight is probably 1/2 heavier again. Suited for heavy displacement yachts, not racers! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I reckon while you are planning your modifications arms/race in the highly charged Whiting 29 competitive environment you should crouch, pause, and think before engaging... ...the TP52 rig, and the carbon prod, yes I can see how they might give positive performance gains. The stern mounted John Deere circular plow arrangement or post hole borer, or bow mounted Gallagher's hay bailer... they might actually slow you down a bit, I think. It's a balancing act all this tractor technology... Link to post Share on other sites
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