Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Any punts on what actually went wrong. How about forgot to turn left at designated waypoint? If one is not prepared to believe this was an insurance fraud and, given the current Greek economy and world shipping lay-ups we can be sure underwirters and others will be exploring that possibility, then I would suggest the following scenerio. The ship's navigator consulted a small scale (say North Island), or even a relatively small scale (say East Cape to Couvier), electronic image of NZ coast and designated waypoints to get him from Napier to Tauranga. And, being lazy (as he certainly must be), he chose to rely on radar and off-course alarms to alert him to any problems. Small scale electronic chart images often 'drop off' such details as f**king great rocks and sometimes, too, mask such detail with other information. Navigating between waypoints without a detailed study of the route between them is dicing with death - as I learned, to my consumate embarrassment, early in my involvement with GPS chart plotters. Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yes this sort of thing is what very early on coined the phrase "gps assisted groundings". I feel for the people of BoP. Link to post Share on other sites
Murky 1 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 New Zealand's worst maritime environmental disaster has been realised, Environment Minister Nick Smith says. Can only surmise that the plan has been to get unemployment down to zero by the time of the election by handing all jobless people a bucket and spade. Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 That is absolutely outside of the square thinking Murky! Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 It is not actually a Greek Ship. It is Greek Port registered. It is owned by a Jewish company, although both Brothers that founded the company are now dead. And seeing as it seems to be full of containers, surely it must be a lucrative Route. Seeing as this Ship runs a regular cycle around NZ ports and Oz ports (I don't know where else) would they not have known about this Reef?? or has it perhaps been a case of they have sailed this route many times before and never new and were just lucky not to have hit it before. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Why don't they tie another container ship next to this one and unload all the cargo? They can then get 10 tugs and trag the bastard off? Too left field....ok Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The Ship hit at 17kts and rode up and onto the Reef. So even if the Ship is emptied right out, it is highly unlikely it is going to float off. Now that the rock has punched up through the Hull, you can't drag it back either. As for getting another ship alongside, you don't just park a few tens of thousand of Tons of steel side by side when one is stuck on a rock and the other is bobing around on a few metres of wave action. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 What a cock up. What about explosives? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Why don't they tie another container ship next to this one and unload all the cargo? Err... A ship is aground as it doesn't have enough water under it and you want to raft another along side?? See a flaw in that plan somewhere? There is a ship on it's way from Aussie that is to take the containers off with but it's a tad more specialised than a bog std one. If one is not prepared to believe this was an insurance fraud and, given the current Greek economy and world shipping lay-ups we can be sure underwirters and others will be exploring that possibility, And I'm told it was the ships last tour. If one was of a suspicious mind one sure would be wondering about that possibility. You aren't the 1st who has suggested that possibility David. Seems unlikely......... but does it really??? HQ speaks to Capt, 'ship dead and it'll cost a pile to scrap. What about one small Nav error and we can get the insurance. Few hundy K paid into a Caymens Is bank account if you pull it off Nudge nudge. We'll blame Global Warming........ or John Key' It's happened before and on a smaller scale a lot of ties in NZ alone. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The navigation computer was reprogrammed and the Cpt was not told....no wait that wa sa different story wasn't it. I find it hard to believe that a Cpt would risk his carreer and possibly imprisonment just to sink a ship for the owners. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 One small tweak of maybe only 1 degree and who would pick it up? Capt says nothing and the job is done. Capt stays lips closed, HQ do the same and who could tell? Maybe the Capt was in the bad books for running a dodgy ship, as it does appear to have been having issues. Your fired...... but if you do this you're knot and you'll get a bonus. Indonesian Capt nearing retirement?? A few hundy K would make a nice retirement fund. He says nothing and it's knot his coastline or country left with the mess. Sure I think it's unlikely but it sure isn't a 'impossible'. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Why don't they tie another container ship next to this one and unload all the cargo? Err... A ship is aground as it doesn't have enough water under it and you want to raft another along side?? See a flaw in that plan somewhere? I was assuming that it is stuck on a reef and there is enough water on one side or the other. Also if it was an old (maybe retired ship) they could have also run it aground, drained the fuel and moved the cargo. This was assuming it could then be dragged off, but maybe not... Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Ummm, 2 to 3 Thousand containers of 20 and 40 tonne. You ain't going to drag anything off a rock once you stack that much on. A big lift crane left Oz yesterday. They reckon it will be here Wednesday, although that would make it one hell of a fast ship. Link to post Share on other sites
floatsome 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I gather the ship is on charter to MSC, depending on the time the contract was fixed it would be around US$10-20k/ day. MSC is the worlds second biggest shipping company after maersk. They have a huge interest here and massive worldwide. Their interest is moving containers as quickly as possible from A - B - C etc. It could be said they are at the lower end of the rate spectrum hence a lower charter rate and therefore a sh*t ship, sh*t crew... Will be interesting to see how they front up to this disaster. Link to post Share on other sites
shanson 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Just heard she's shifted again! Will she last out the night! SHANE Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 and the containers are moving. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 A little more info on the ship. The ship was biult for the Ofer Brothers shipping in 1990/91. I guess it must have been sold when the last Brother died and I only assume the comany along with him. The MV Rena, is now Greek owned by Diana shipping and registered in Libya. Daina Shipping Co is owened by Costamare Inc The RENA was built in 1990, and has a deadweight of 47,230. At the time of the incident the RENA was carrying 1,351 containers. The operators of the vessel, Costamare Shipping Company S.A. (a dedicated containership operator with over 35 years of experience in the shipping industry), while Ciel Shipmanagement S.A are the technical managers. Both companies are members of the Hellenic Marine Environment Protection Association. It has also been reported that The Rena had a near miss with the The Torea, a 14,000 tonne oil tanker. Apparently the Torea was travelling north off the coast of Napier on October 2, when the Rena cut it off at speed, forcing the Torea to turn full circle. Tracking software confirms the two ships were near Napier that day, Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Don't supposed it said what Class the ship was in i.e.Lloyds, GL, ABS or maybe RINA? Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 ABS I think, and I think that only because ABS are involved. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Sounds like a good assumption. I was thinking RINA...... and you'll probably guess why Link to post Share on other sites
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