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Hey Chris,
Not sure I understand exactly what your doing, if the forestay is in the jib, what will hold the mast up when the jib is down? I guess a 2nd forestay? If so, why not add hanks to the jib and remove the internal forestay? This will decrease the load you need to cleat on deck, meaning you can use any common method, horn cleat, cam cleat etc.
as for adjusting rig tension etc, when I brought Blunderbus years ago, it had a super adjustable rig, with drum winches on both side stays, and a ram bar opposing the vang load on the mast, there were also about 6 different forestay lengths to choose from. It’s all since been removed I believe, you don’t really have time to mess with that stuff on a skiff, and I guess don’t really need to? Just set each day for the conditions and go sailing seemed the normal choice in the class. I think I might have a drum winch and associated bits still if you want to do what your planning. Gives a heap of purchase.
You still in Nelson? Do you race at all? I just brought an old I14, very similar shape to a javelin, might have to bring it over some time (once we can sail it).
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Holding the knob in for 5 seconds is quite common, the norm even. It’s while the flame failure heats up, great safety feature. If the flame blows out, the sensor cools and it shuts the gas off. That’s why you have to hold it in - while the sensor heats up. I’d be surprused if it wasn’t legally required. Sensible regardless.
Is there even a different common flame failure device that doesn’t require ‘holding the knob in’?
You may be able to fit a piezo ignition?
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Some of you may recognise this ex - Auckland boat Bump n Grind. This pic is on a coastal race at the weekend from the outer Queen Charlotte Sound to a pub on D’Urville island. We had conditions like the photo 20 to 30 knots) for about 3 1/2 hours of 4 1/4 hour race, had a great kite run, a while with the fractional gennaker, then code 0 to finish in the lee of a big hill where the wind was light. Was an epic day sailing. We managed 2nd on line in a fleet of 38’ to 45’ boats (plus a Lotus 9.2). Top speed for the day was about when this photo was taken, around 14 knots. Great party at D’Urville afterwards, then fishing and a kite run home the next day. 7 happy crew.
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Yeah that’s one.
They get along too, I forget the numbers now, but one came to the Nelson lakes classic show a few times, it was impressively fast.
Some have been looked after better than others.
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Not sure about all of your boxes, but the Mason Clipper isn’t a bad looking trailerable boat, galley, toilet, some bunks? Not sure about shower though.
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I guess your understanding of things is a little off, or your boat has strange wiring. According to your diagram, the switch panel is fed off the alternator, which has a permanent connection to your start battery? That would mean you can’t switch power to the switch panel off, and that your house loads always draw off either both house and start, or just start, depending on the switches. Not right.
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I got a prod from C-tech a few years back, 2015 actually, $1380 total. Specs:
3.8m long
80mm ID
89.1OD ibe
84.1 OD obe - tapered for retracting
4.96kg
Painted white - they recomended for uv protection
Included freight to South Island.
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Can’t say much for the others, but I have a windrush 14 and they are very simple as MY has said. Easy to stand mast alone - lay it in front with the for stays on and mast on swivel base, stand up, clip one side on then it won’t fall down. Find one with main and furling jib, and long rudders. Mine hasn’t got the head sail sadly.
They come / can be - main only, main and jib single handed, two handed or with trapeze, which would add to the fun factor. Parts still available x windrush in Aus.
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Ht, have you sailed a dinghy lately? I’d say there would be plenty of people who would say going to keel boats isn’t progression but a change. Dinghies are fun, lower admin, lower cost, often faster, defiantly feel faster.
Once you hit the ‘my parents aren’t cool’ age, why would they want to go sailing with some 60 year old who thinks he knows everything? Many / most of today’s dinghy sailors are much better technical sailors than many older people racing keel boats. One up side of the way dinghy training is done I guess. They can’t even near afford their own keelers, not many people under 40 (their not cool parents age) have their own keeler to sail with, why would they? What motivation does the sport provide them?
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Would the real story be that it was a monohull, wife didn’t like healing so add hulls, then it won’t turn under motor well, so as outboards to get thrust out wide where it’s needed. Wife wanted to go boating ‘to do that scene from titanic’ so add the bow... thing.
I can’t explain the coffee grinder. So angry at wife for making him wreck good boat, he made a reason to tell her she has to stay on the foredeck? Or bow man complains hoist is too slow, skipper says ‘there, do it your f’ing self, if your so smart’ bow man has done a perfect job ever since (he is a bow man after all).
Shame, looks like the original mono was a good looking boat.
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Hmm, mostly but not entirely correct. The Jollyboat fleet are doing ok, and home-build ply ...
I wasn’t saying there are no home built boats, or classes that allow them left, just for the majority it isnt an option. If it wasn’t for the plastic imports, of all sizes, sailing in NZ would be in a lot worse place, as an avid P class fan and Laser loather, that hurts to say, but it’s true.
The OK’s seem to be doing well, worlds in NZ next year always helps.
Javelins are another example which are not factory built or imported, although it’s build new in carbon off the class mould rather than at home in ply, if you want to be competitive anyway.
It’s actually the same issue as the focus being all on learning to win races, rather than learning to love Sailing. -you will learn to race, you will learn to win, you will compete internationally. Can’t do that in a p class, better but what is raced internationally.
The attraction for me was being out there making my own decisions also, not sure I would have liked my parents chasing me in a tender shouting instructions every race. Why does a kid need to learn to sail if they will just be a voice activated remote control of their parents. Let the kids enjoy thinking for themselves, will serve them well throughout life.
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Booboo is right 100%.
The focus on ‘learn to sail’ is really ‘learn to race’ which is great for the 3 kids who take turns at winning.
On the home built thing, that may have been a great opportunity for kids 20+ years ago, but today, the majority of people don’t have the space, the tools, the skills, or the time. That’s kids or parents. It’s not going to happen. That we have moved away from classes that can be home built isn’t the issue. That we have moved away from classes with good existing numbers of boats may be, as it means parents need to buy expensive new boats.
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What have you done re alternator reg vrs warranty?
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Sadly, the "lifejacket while in sight of a puddle" brigade is never going to let that happen.
Why not? They could still have life jackets, and adults in safety boats carrying tents and food.... I can’t see any increase in danger over what clubs do now.
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I fit a similar mould to Kick. Been sailing all my life, parents had trailer yachts then keelers, I raced dinghies as a kid. Never stopped at any stage of life, I’m a full scale addict. Early 30’s now, have been racing my own boat at a keeler club now for about 8 years. Just did my first cat 3 race in my own boat, very cool. Owning a boat at my age certainly makes me an exception to the rule at my club.
On the plus side. I’m seeing a good surge in 20 to 30 years olds, both returning to sailing, or taking up sailing locally by crewing on keel boats, there’s a lot more younger people around the club now than 10 years ago. Im the oldest on my boat now.
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Not many younger people want to go sailing with a bunch of old people they don’t know and can’t relate to. Unless they know someone to go with, showing up to a club to ask to sail with some random old people doesn’t likely seem that appealing.
People who could afford a boat - likely those doing better than average, are so busy with their career and life in general, they don’t have time for the commitment of owning a boat them selves. There are so many different things to do on offer now, it’s not worth owning a boat to sail occasionally, it’s all (like us) or nothing. No time left for boat ownership.
These same people, busy with their careers, are doing so, so they can afford to pay high rents or huge mortgages, the radio tells me today they are doing so on poor wages. The money they have left is spread over many different hobbies. No money left for boat ownership.
The Facebook generation encourages you to post pics of doing some new cool exciting thing every weekend, travel, beach, ski holiday, what ever. A yacht is a huge time and money commitment to one thing, not so cool anymore.
I’d like to think kids who get into sailing have some kind of higher aspirations than average, leaving school to go to uni, get good jobs or travel etc, where they leave sailing due to cost, lack of time or being away from home etc. this is where the disconnect comes from, where numbers drop for teens. I’m not sure what would change that for anyone other than the addicts.
Maybe the dinghy clubs should do more days where they just go for a blast around the harbour, maybe sail to an island and camp for the night. Show the kids who don’t win every race that it can be for fun too. Those are the kids Sailing is loosing, and the kids who could own keel boats, the top kids will be at the olympics or paid crew over seas somewhere.
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Nolipoli, I have a R830 also. No open transom but it does have a nice boarding platform. I’ll send you a pic some time if you like. I’ve considered an open transom too, but won’t for now. My boats a bit souped up including running backstays, and I don’t want to loose and strength, plus I don’t have the time for a bigger project including replacing any strength lost by cutting the transom out. With the boarding platform, it’s not hard to step up onto the cockpit seat and down to the platform though. Boarding platform is handy for taking the dinghy cruising too, sits nicely on there sideways, with the 5hp on the stern rail.
I’d be interested to see a pic your 830’s open transom NZtiger.
Which boats do you both have?
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The 800 is the current model, not been around that long, not sure you will find many people pulling them out. They’re about $500rrp from Garmin, or $600 from Navico / B&G
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IT’s onto it, as usual. You can’t store data to a Garmin mhu with a BnG display, you will need a Garmin display. The output data is all nmea2000 and shareable, but whatever sentence is sent for calibration will be somewhat more proprietary.
Have you installed a lone Garmin mhu on an otherwise BnG system?
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Remote wires go to the push on connections on the solenoid - these are the control wires for the solenoid, you can connect as many different switches as you like. If you haven’t got something already, I’d put at least an on/off/on toggle somewhere as a backup to that remote. The studs are the power output to the winch.
I guess the worst that can happen with the cheap remote is it fails to an on position and drops the anchor while your underway, it’s good practice to keep the anchor circuit breaker off until you want to anchor anyway.
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I’ve brought it for that purpose off Hurricane Rigging in Wellington before, they have a water jet cutter and cut it to shape for you. I think MG composites, also in welly lay it up.
It’s actually fibreglass with a carbon twill on top - same difference for backing plates.
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Yeah, they don’t like water, being wet or dampness. So consider that when mounting. It’s a bit of a catch 22 as LPG will sit in the bottom of the bilge just like water. You want the sensor low so it senses the gas early, but not low enough that it gets wet or it will fail and fault.
Install is fairly straight forward. Presumably your looking at the BEP unit, if you get a solenoid too, it will shut the gas off if it detects a leak which is smart. There is an override function to turn the gas back on, in case it’s a fault that sets it off, be very sure it isn’t a gas leak before using the over ride.
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That’s happening a lot to that model, or models with that mic cord, bad design, or bad choice of materials at least. I think originally there was a way of sorting it with a new mic and cord, not any more. I’ve never really understood the hype of Raymarine, other than good marketing, they have nothing over Garmin or B&G stuff. Their tiller pilots are good, no better than Simrad though. Actually their pilots in general were good, but I always found their plotters a pain in the backside.
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I just priced up some of the white Vesconite from the Hamilton place IT linked on the first page. The guy said he priced ‘the better’ stuff, greater self lubrication I think he said was the difference. They have one with about a 32mm I’d and 70mm Od, to be machined to size, $1/mm
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Look into and assure yourself of the cable run before commiting too much. Getting it down inside the mast will be tricky if there is no conduit opening at the mounting location. Ideally it would be in a tube inside the mast like the rest of the wiring will be, unlikely to be an option for you without taking the mast out. You will then need to run it down the inside without wrapping it around halyards and get it to pop out the bottom, can be tricky and your left hoping for no damage. Running it down the outside isn’t pretty, and leaves it very exposed to damage as well as the sun.
Agree with MH otherwise, slightly better performance, less crew nuking, windage / weight aloft, hard to work on should only be to fit, fairly reliable after that.
Alternators
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Stops alt charging.
Temperature sensor? Stuck to alternator?