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Anyone been using the #5 plus? Any thoughts? Thanks,

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I really wish I agreed with you, but .....

this may all be true K. But nothing in the law says it applies to your typical cruising yacht. The odd Hartley 16 might get caught out. I'm pretty sure it won't change our behaviour significantly. Maybe it won't change yours. I doubt either of us would end up being prosecuted either way, in large part because there is no offence yet, just a law. I view all law as largely performative. Its the nature of law - I think we both agree that law exists to regulate the lowest form of crustatia, not the more highly evolved mammals. Vast swathes of our legislation are observed in the br

they are only exempt if they are attached to the board ie using a leash. https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/members/2025/143/en/latest/#LMS1624247 I'm not sure there will be maritime inspectors in the surfline dropping in on unsuspecting leashless SUP riders, but there it is.

I cannot understand how paddleboarders are exempt but our ship to shore tenders arent What even qualifies a paddleboard over a RIB? Do I just pull the air floor out of my inflatable? Air mattress and an oar?

As expected, those stats are largely meaningless and don't touch on the comment I made, specifically that "it is not recreational sailors that are dieing. And not people going short distances in inflatable boats from yachts to shore." The 10 year average for the "Powered Craft" category which includes yachts and tenders with outboards, is 12% of all drownings. As BP noted, drownings in that category is heavily influenced by one off multiple fatality events like the Enchanter sinking. The other catagories are: Swimming / Wading: ~33% Accidental Immersion (Slips/Falls): ~

I read the report. ( did you know that offshore means outside the surf line)? Basically there were two instances in one year where 4 or 5 people drowned in one sinking. Overall trends are not bad and the stats are not corrected for population growth. Nothing to worry about.

Watercraft. Full report is here https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/66f37257074e0484592591ad/6881712b676dd6f05e6a85e4_2022 National Drowning Prevention Report.pdf

Your stats report drownings by age and ethnicity. They don't report drownings by activity...

nope, the stats are from the Water Safety Coucil. They output the data every year. The interpretation is theirs, not mine, which is why I linked the screenshot of the graph from their report. But they certainly don't support a view that its weed smoking, overweight poachers and the edge dwellers of society that are drowning for lack of a lift jacket. Although they are there too. It s not clutching at straws to point out the real financial cost of a drowning. In a society where we have reduced everything to a balance sheet and cashflow statement, its probably the only thing that m

Those stats don't even mention what I was commenting on. C'mon. At best, the reflect general societal demographics, with a skew towards who actually goes boating. All your stats cover is drowning fatalities. Not what the activity was immediately prior to the drowning, which was what I was commenting on. And, to be honest, it really sounds like you are clutching at straws to justify yet another law if the best reason you can point towards is ACC costs.

Cant say it is really much of a change for many regions where it s already compulsory under local bylaws. we just have a couple of older manky pfd's we wear when we want to leave then locked in the dinghy. Its now one single rule for all of NZ. Great to see a single easy to understand rule hat is based on risk (being an older pakeha male i sit rright in the risk group)

The actual data does not agree with you. The Water Safety Council produced a report in 2023 in response to a very high rate of drowning in 2022. 24 people drowned in incidents related to watercraft in 2022. The majority were middle aged white men. The majority were in coastal or beach settings north of the Bombay hills. Your prejudices aside, the people drowning look like us, and are doing stuff we do. They just had all the holes in the cheese line up. A reminder that our ACC system pays 5 years income to the dependents of a person who dies in an accident. So, le

It would seem so 🤣 Alternatively, I'm overthinking. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Performance art ignores actual problems that would benefit from a well thought out policy solution but instead plays to an audience. Drownings involving a boat = 8 out of 10 in the news cycle, two drownings 10/10 add in a child and the dial goes to 11. Ultimately if you take this type of law to the logical conclusion there must eventually be a law prohibiting life since it results in certain death!

My understanding from the stats is, it is not recreational sailors that are dieing. And not people going short distances in inflatable boats from yachts to shore. Its the muppets that got an inflatable beach toy / paddle board / pink swan thing from Mighty Ape or K Mart that do drown while trying to use it 100m from the beach. The other major demographic is rock fishermen. Which this law doesn't cover. The only other significant demographic is fizz boat that suddenly capsize. That is either on bar crossings (loads of education there) or random events. Often sudden waves / gettin

If there’s a parallel between property crime & not wearing a lifejacket I’m not smart enough to see it?

Some pictures form the Mokes the last time this topic came up. Pretty sure the boys are only breaking the law in one of these pictures

Following this to its logical conclusion, property crime is generally carried out by poorly educated people so we should not have the crimes act. Law almost by it's very definition is aimed at the lowest common denominator. This one is no different.

Stupid people make stupid laws, those that are likely to drown won't even be aware of this new regulation let alone how to be safe in a boat or near the water.

I actually wouldn’t mind except when you’re going for a walk to the shops or something you either have to lug your jackets with you or run the risk of having them nicked out of your dinghy

And if you stand up you can say that you’re stand up paddle boarding anyway 😁

As I keep saying politics is performance art.... The solution to all problems is to make a law- job done, problem solved and the minister can score points. The real work which is much harder is boating education, I agree with the termite muncher- its not going to be a big deal until they decide to make a point of it. However this is a catch all law that treats all people as fundamentally stupid! Do we really need instructions from Wellington? lifejacket on a sunny day 100m to beach - not going to happen while I can swim.