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What are the maintenance differences between Carvel and edge butted and glued?
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On the market again? https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/3176061134
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4 hours ago, Knot Me... maybe said:
It's not a myth, I was sitting there when it was said. I was also one who just about blew a fu-fu with the laughter that the comment generated, as did everyone else in the room bar 2 people. I doubt even a Govt Dept is stupid enough to suggest you could ride across the harbour....note I'm only brave enough to use the word 'doubt'.
Since when has the Govt or Council used 'good use of taxpayer funds' as any sort of qualification for any project. The best we can hope for is the project that wastes the least amount of rate/taxpayer funds. When comparing the tunnel to the skypath the tunnel wins hands down.
I didn't think there'd be a link, nor that the government would have suggested it.
The cost/benefit studies on the second harbour crossing aren't a secret and nor is the fact that the writers of them bend over backwards to make them look better. Even massaged hard they show that it's bad spending. Not sure where your'e getting your info. The roading lobby is pretty strong though, and a lot of people believe the spin.
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18 hours ago, Knot Me... maybe said:
😃😃 But no you're wrong, 'Fat Bikes', you know the push bikes with the huge tyres. I kid you knot, they have been brought up by the current Government as a harbour crossing option. I've had a few meeting with LTSA around the walking bridge...to use a far more accurate description of what they are aiming all our rates at.
The tunnel is by far the better option. Road northbound plus rail corridor which short term bus use while the Govt find out what rail is. Bridge then becomes road southbound and the left over 1/2......... da dum..... feet and bikes. Maybe to differentiate it from a road we could be call it something along the lines of 'Path in the Sky' or maybe Skypath for simplicity.
I'd like to see a link to the fat bikes being proposed like that, sounds like an urban myth.
The numbers on all of the second harbour crossings options are pretty bad. Even with heavily massaged numbers they don't break even. So I guess if we want to Think Big again and waste money with last century thinking on roading then a tunnel is a good option but it's not a good use of our taxpayer funds.
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Thanks. I was interested in that boat but timing wasn't quite right when it was on the market. Maybe when they tire of it...
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Does anybody know where Witchdoctor went to? Down country somewhere?
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the edit to the second one? I put the wrong link in the first time, only edit was the correct link. doing two things at once.
Did you read the report?
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13 minutes ago, ScottiE said:
Wayne-o - why did you edit your post after I responded to it?
I did it before you responded to it, or at least I started editing it before your response was showing. Thought it risked seeming rude so dialled it back.
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You'd best read no COVID news Scottie - magazines and news outlets are breaching your professional standards rampantly, publishing graphs without footnoting the source.
This is pretty normal journalism where the data is of the well-publicised official and settled kind. Googling something like "state of the hauraki gulf 2020" will get you plenty about this report: https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/about-auckland-council/how-auckland-council-works/harbour-forums/docsstateofgulf/state-gulf-full-report.pdf which is in the same category.
This comprehensive unrebutted report was well covered when it came out. Perhaps the author just assumed that anybody in NZ who cared at all about the state of the gulf might know this and that he's not writing for the totally uninformed.
If you know of any credible science that undermines the above, I'd be interested to see it.
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1 hour ago, ScottiE said:
I'm always sceptical of any opinion piece when the author begins with the premise "while science is clear". The piece is full of emotive and anecdotal comment and not a single independent reference, scientific or otherwise.
but ya know - feeelzzzzz!
There's some pretty clear data in it, per the graphs. Are you suggesting you think he made it up, or you want footnotes for every bit? If the former, have a look at the data and go underwater with a mask on - it sure seems right. If the latter, this is a magazine article not a peer-reviewed scientific journal and it's normal not to footnote it up the wazoo. You won't get much COVID news read if you reject all graphs unless they're closely footnoted.
I think he's right to say the science is clear. But hey, read the science and you'll know!
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Bad Kitty, who are the two surveyors you use?
Also, interested in what people say about fijian kauri, as used in this Dickson 45 https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-2587783128.htm Faster growing and softer than kauri, and apparently used alongside nz kauri in a triple skin build. -
Sorry Kevin - I thought it would have been obvious I meant the government's policy response but have amended to clarify. It must get exhausting correcting people every time they say "the economy"!
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It's not surprising that special time hasn't been spent writing fine-grained rules about leisure boating that make everybody happy. This is a massive global crisis and it was urgent, and broad brushstrokes on a luxury pastime is no surprise.
ScottieE, I'm not sure your science and economics are sound. If we eliminate we will be visiting rest homes sooner than if we wait for herd immunity and antibody testing protocols etc etc, especially if we pace herd immunity at a speed where ICUs aren't overrun (don't understand where you got your 0.1% mortality rate - the global numbers show that to be way wrong).
Hindsight is great, but Sweden is still an experiment, and if our govt had tried it they would have been ripped apart like Boris J was when he (briefly) announced a herd immunity strategy. Also not sure why you think NZ's economy is so harmed by elimination compared to alternatives, nor why you single out just the PM as a "twit" on these points. In the days leading up to the lockdown there was heavy industry lobbying for a lockdown. Major industry and exporters wanted it. This is partly why the opposition agreed with it. Tourism and flights were collapsing whatever we did and the key was to minimise health and economic carnage elsewhere. The travelling barriers with elimination are small beer compared to the peril of having a long, slow pandemic spread through the community with business after business shut down again and again. Nail it quickly and NZ has a major competitive advantage. Hindsight or medical study will inform things for sure, but this strategy is what industry and scientists were telling the government to do loud and clear. The opposition agreed and their criticism has been on detail of implementation, not the overall plan. Most international commentators praise it. Either all of them are twits, or none, but not just the (female) politician you don't like.
We were going to have a recession the moment this blew up in the major economies. We may yet choose to take a different approach over time (you can go from lockdown to Sweden's approach but not vice versa). But I don't think there were any loud political or industry voices saying it was stupid to lock down, quite the opposite. As for mocking it as being "kind", we did what China did (locking down Wuhan) and the Chinese government will have been focused on the economy. Twits also?
Back to boating, here is a prediction: absent a vaccine, Americans will find global cruising miserable for a long time now because their approach has been terrible. Wouldn't surprise me if they (and others) face serious barriers to visiting smaller island states that can eliminate. We may just have the chance of cruising up to the islands like the old days.
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On 20/04/2020 at 1:58 PM, Boatworks said:
Thought I might add my 2c worth as a Ross 40 owner.
The photo of Urban and Provincial Cowboy pacing each other side by side is a Gold Cup race from a couple of years ago and that mainsail on Urban was subsequently replaced with a new one. The FRO's were both new - any wrinkles were just how they looked from day one. Urban is a quick boat, especially broad reaching and running - we really noticed their extra pace with the square top main.
I can't speak highly enough of the Ross 40, fantastic boat for Auckland and also a great family cruiser - albeit one with very long legs. Once you work out how to make them go, they're a great all round boat and a really good size for passage racing, SSANZ events and RNI etc. Urban is a timber boat and is probably a bit more racing-oriented than PC, which has a full cruising interior and set-up. But she is great value and as a bonus will have had a lot of work done to get ready for RNI. These boats have plenty of company in the mixed bunch of 35-45 foot cruiser/racers in the NZ racing scene.
Yes we have moved on to a 11m canter for a fast, wet and fun partnership race boat. So PC will just be cruising for a while as we can't yet bring ourselves to put her on the market. We'll see.
Yeah, I believe that. Presuming the structure is good (it's not young and has been well used) it seems like good buying. But then the maths are changing, and berthing costs are a real problem. With a global recession, who knows how these things get valued. Starlight Express seems like a lot of good boat for the money too, but who buys and maintains these boats when the racing scene has moved on?
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Sailing NZ, you could always cruis-ify one of the glass racers that is struggling to sell. Plenty of space for you in Starlight Express, and plenty of speed in the Elliott, Prowler. Both have to be pretty negotiable given time on the market and COVID.
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what boat is that, sparky?
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I've seen the ad and marina prices, but was wondering if people knew much about basic construction and hull integrity details (eg epoxy or polyester, build quality etc)
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Anybody know much about its construction or other details?
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She looked just fine this morning when i was down there
Yes, same - seemed fine.
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I will shortly be listing Timberwolf due to a change in circumstances that means we can't use it much for a few years now. While a racer, we bought it mainly to cruise in, for which we found it great, but not everybody would. Bunks for up to 5 but far better on the tramps under the boomtent. Meets most of your criteria but no enclosed head so presumably out, but PM me if you want to talk.
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Various anchors used, and the range of variables in anchoring makes comparisons hard. But moving form a CQR to a Rocna while often anchoring in the same spots was pretty compelling proof of the difference. I would never buy a CQR again.
Had an Excel and only negative was that it slowly but surely moved through light sand where other anchors didn't. Don't know why. Dived on it, no wiser.
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I assume the problems with the keel referred to above relates to Emotional Rescue not Witch Doctor, but does anybody know what they are? Did the new keel not work reliably or is it something structural?
If it's reliable the main issue with ER would probably be cruising and short handing that spindly rig with runners. Both it and WD are pretty although it's sadly true that they have the room of much shorter more modern boats and to keep them in a marina round here would make the eyes water.
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Nice lines but it has all the problems with that keel , who wants it
which boat are you referring to there myjane, and what problems? interested to understand.
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new keel design?
The Barrots - Amazing cruising couple
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but other than caulking they have the same maintenance burdens? And risks of worm etc? just wondering why he'd have chosen traditional construction over eg triple skin, glassed.