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Posts posted by Dambo
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But not by lady boy that would be bad, very bad
Ummm, why?
I find your implication pretty offensive.
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I think it's been many years since there was any truth in "all boats swing the same" and even then, I think it was a story told to children at night..
Owhanake Bay had boats pointing in all directions at once, we were quietly doing 360s all night, thankfully it wasn't too full.
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Wild won't be there...
Owner/skipper (and general fuckwit) enjoying Central America.
Although, being away from the boat for this long is creating some anxiety issues...
I was chatting to Ray about 2230 on Friday about to leave for Waiheke on the kid's boat when I suddenly thought "..was I supposed to race tomorrow??" I decided that was a no.
Wild! took a 3rd last Wednesday in your absence though...
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So, my younger son used to get sea sick almost the moment we left the marina, he'd get all weak and shaky, whimper a bit, lean over the side and have a chuck, then come right for the rest of the trip - thankfully he's grown out of that
Unfortunately the older boy has lost all interest in sailing, however the younger is still keen but I have to remind myself that he needs to be actively involved in the process and doing stuff. Asking him doesn't work because his default is to say 'no' but just talking him through the process and giving clear instructions, demonstrating how something is done, then handing it over.
When we first took the kids out we'd attempt to sail for hours to the furthermost destination until some friends with older kids instructed us in the error of our ways, so we settled on short trips and slowly started going further afield. Izzy bay from Westhaven is great. Actually.
Last year the 11yo and I sailed around Waiheke on his little boat (22' trailersailer) he's also relished the opportunities to go sailing on Sundreamer because he gets to go to places like Kawau in a fraction of the time it'd take on my old skeg or his boat.
Yesterday the wind wasn't playing fair and after some hours of tacking back and forth in the harbour we settled on Motuihe. We walked around the beaches at low tide, we swam, and generally had a lovely, relaxed time. This morning we swam once the sun had warmed the air up a bit, had a relaxed breakfast and sailed back to Westhaven as the wind slowly picked up.
Today the younger kid flew the (small) spinnaker on his trailersailer back from Motuihe - He stated that today was his best day sailing 'ever' because he learnt new things, he felt challenged and a sense of achievement, he also said that 'just he and I' are going sailing again soon and he's keen to see the big spinnaker up.
Sooooo, yeah, little steps is good. Getting them involved is good.
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Ceiling mounted too - flash!
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Hi all,
This will be our first summer cruising with a 10 months old baby. Just wondering what bed set ups you use/recommend.
Our son is crawling and standing, and almost walking making things trickier. Our kauri launch has two sets of bunks up front. A portacot can fit in between the bunks but this takes up a lot of room and is a pain to set up every nap. Thinking of sewing a breathable fabric barrier across one of the lower bunks to create a cot, but not sure what fabric to use or how to stop him crawling around the sides or over the top?
Heading to barrier for 3 weeks so also keen for any other advice or tips you have for cruising with a younger baby.
Cheers, sarah
A fish crate apparently works really well.
If your boat is a kauri launch, I'm guessing she's an old flush deck thing once you're out of the cockpit area thing that stinkpots have?
I'm assuming you have a baby lifejacket? - If not, please get one - my little darlings got used to them very fast. An idea that some have put forward here before, especially as the bub gets bigger/more independent, is having two - one for swimming in, one to keep dry/warm/when underway/emergency etc.
Some form of containment is the ideal, you could just use canvas and make lee-clothes that go from the side of the v-birth. Use double stitched, folded hems with eyelets that go onto these things:
Bungy along the top with gaps in the hem that fit onto hooks on the ceiling so it's easy to undo in a hurry but can't be pulled down by the bub.
Either make a tunnel or close the whole thing off, then pillows/cushions/squabs etc.
Jackstays and a tether when bub's out the back/on deck.
All of this has been deployed by us over the years and kept the kids safe and sound.
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Hmmm, today is the deadline, still trying to decide...
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The entertainer would probably be the pick of the racing 930s she's got a really good keel and good sails. Entertainers interior is pretty basic though. squid has been really well refitted and has new deck gear and god sails but original keel but has a god interior There is another 930 at gulf harbour called shockproof with a really good interior t keel, new mast and god sails. Worth a look
So Phil, you're saying she's heavenly? Or the sails are like the wings of angels?
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If the object of the game was to sail a 727 down the coast for the experience then yeah, why the hell not? Awesome boats!
But, if it's simply a delivery then shipping is the best option.
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Yeah, I want to park the t/s at Westhaven permanently however they don't do this any more because "they don't have the space" (the club boats have some other deal)
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What an utterly fascinating place!
I'd never heard of it before but now on my bucket list.
3 wives eh? Just as well he took Confucius wisdom and gave each one their own house...
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I have to be honest - put it on a truck. Quicker, safer and possibly not cost much more than paying a delivery crew who'd be willing to do it.
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A couple of us were discussing this last night - 3 different boats to choose from (2 definite entries and the kids boat 'may' be ready...)
(note to handicapper - it's a big slow old schooner that sails like a real dog).
Lies, all lies
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Happy German Bagpipers?!?!?! I now formally can die, I've seen it all.
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To make me and my crew wear lifejackets in a sport that has virtually no drownings is knee jerking at its worst, why should any reasonably normal adult need to wear a lifejacket rowing in a tender on a typical day out? I can assure you that coming back from barrier in a 30kt Northerly on a boat with no lifelines, everyone on deck will have one on and be tethered as well. The bleeding heart liberal lifejacket will solve everything brigade needs to direct their energy towards the highest risk groups such as swimmers and fishermen, not yachties who are caught in a fine meshed net made of moralising twaddle dragged through society by ignorant bureaucrats and interfering idiots.
Lifejackets have undoubtedly saved the lives of three people on-board the vessel that capsized on the Manukau Bar earlier today.
All three have made it to shore safely, we commend the skipper for logging a Bar Crossing Report which meant Coastguard Radio was able to raise the alarm when we didn't hear from the vessel to close their report and confirm that they had safely crossed the bar.
Yeah, the bigger issue was the decision to take a 6m boat across the bar when there was a 4m swell running. I mean, well done for logging a trip report and well done for all on board wearing life jackets - my understanding of the current laws means the skipper would have been criminally negligent had he or those on board not been wearing them because taking that size boat across the Manukau bar in those conditions is blatantly stupid and irresponsible. "..Maritime rules provide that it is the skipper's legal responsibility to ensure that lifejackets are worn in situations of heightened risk, such as when crossing a bar.."
We don't need anymore laws on this.
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That said, like others, I would not like to see this as compulsory. If anything, the very basic Day skippers course or such like would be a better thing to make compulsory imo.
before they even think about compulsory wearing of a lifejacket,how about the powers that be in force every skipper should have a licence to operate a vessel?
gee i had my jacket on but didnt know i had to give way
NOPE NOPE NOOOOOPE Please NO.
I used to think this to, and there are times I still wonder if this would be better, BUT one of the joys of living in this country IS the ability for those of limited means to jump in a dinghy and experience something special.
The exception I'd make is for fizz-nasties and jet-skis - those buggers can, and do, real harm. But how do you Police this? - anything over a certain HP you need a license?
The kids trailer-sailer has an 8hp o/b but a 12 foot tinnie with an 8hp will do a lot of damage quite fast and this size boat, in my experience, is usually owned and piloted by the least competent, most likely to break the rules person.
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f*ck, I knew our distant cousins were backward, but this takes the cake.
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I would be wary of these SRI figures.
I know of a number of cases over the years where boats this size have relatively low volume, so when they get knocked down, they can very easily flood through the hatchway. Twice, I know it was through the forward hatch straight after a kite hoist. Simple round up after it popped open and straight to the bottom.
SRI doesn't matter then.
Yeah,... Farr 727?
Always keep the forward hatch locked is safest. I've seen the forward hatch of a Ross 930 underwater a couple of times - would have been pretty disastrous if it hadn't been locked/closed.
I don't think anybody hoists from the hatch these days do they?
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Oh the joy of Okahu Bay - I had to do exactly this with my one when it was sitting on a mooring there (previously had been at Greenhithe) I raised it about the same and it didn't really look all that bad - certainly better then the crap growing up the sides.
Willow's idea of using a white antifoul in the raised area is on to it (assuming your boat is white) I didn't think of that...
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Thanks for the info. Yes I had seen these ratings before which seems to be more relevant to racing. I am a cruiser so doubt a knot or two drop in speed will affect me much. Yeah, the first post is about performance and racing but it gives you some indication of how capable a design is and how long it may take to get from a-b. Over a long trip, the KPH adds up, as I said 4.5 hours from the other end of Waiheke isn't bad for trailer cruiser and about the max that kids can handle in my experience.
Knowing the yacht has good SRI is great but how these translate for a newbie cruiser out there? From your experience with Caribou, I would guess common sense and safe practice are more important than a high SRI index?
Yup, or at least I'd like to think so. I think the main reason the Caribou scores so low is because the main hatch/companionway is off center and therefore may flood if knocked down to starboard - in which case you're screwed, or, when you hoist the kite, just make sure you only get knocked down to port We've generally avoided dodgy conditions and never really had a knock down in it.
The Self Righting Index is a calculation based on a formula that provides an indication on how well the boat will self right from a 90 degree heel (think knock down).
It has nothing to do with speed and is all about safety. The bigger the number the better hence Dambo's comment that the Aqu (0.860) is safer than the Car (0.450) for a 90 degree knock down as it is more likely to self right.
Yeah. Rating = speed, SRI = recovery from worst case scenario.
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'Safe' is another matter for the Caribou though - SRI/Self Righting Index ratings look like:
Design SRI
D20 .950
Aqu .860
Sab .690
Mer .480
Car .450
Ven Data missing/unknown.
However, in 10 years neither the kids nor I have managed to roll the thing over despite our best efforts. It'll just be a mission to get it back up in the event that we do is all.
All in all, out of this bunch the Aquarius/Bonito is looking the best.
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Hi yaksolo, I'm assuming you're familiar with the NZ Tailor Yacht Association?
http://www.nztya.nz/trailer-yacht-designs.html
They have some info there. It's also worth looking at the ratings ( http://www.nztya.nz/nztya-ratings.html ) that gives you some idea of what the boat design is capable of.
What about a Caribou 20? They're in a similar class to all the idea's above, cheap as chips and apparently reasonable quick by comparison:
Design Rating
Aqu/Bon 22 .760
Caribou 20 .757
Merlin 20 .703
Saber 20 .700
D20 .686
Ventura 20 .677
Incidentally, I have the dubious joy of sailing a Caribou on a reasonably regular basis and have usually been pleased with it's performance. Sailed back from Man'o'war bay last summer in a 20 knot northerly - top SOG 6.1knots. Not fast, but given this was coming back from a week away, loaded up in full cruising mode including kids water toys and generally taking it easy, I was happy. 4.5 hours from the far end of Waiheke to the ramp in Okahu Bay was pretty good I thought.
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Removed meters and meters of 3 phase house wire and similar spec'd switches from the kids trailer sailor, moved the nav lights from the cabin to the pulpit, added a stern and anchor light, installed appropriate wire throughout with no Micky mouse ridiculousness of multiple chock-blocks, swapped out the cabin light and new switch panel in a lovely wee varnished plywood box. AND IT ALL WORKS Actually a good result.
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Nearly as good as taking a packed lunch to the launching ramp
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How?
I mean, I've dragged (Oneroa, limited warp in snugglely circumstances that was 10 but built to 25 knots)
But Izzy is sticky... sh*t... it's nasty stuff to get off the anchor once you manage to get it on the deck.