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Thanks Zozza, for information, have chatted with them about it and this image is from their page. It will be for a long period so looking at options about buying/borrowing an unused one.
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Hi, I'm trying to hunt down a good steel cradle for a long term project on a Ross 930. Thinking along the lines of this one but open to suggestions. It needs to be able to support boat turning transit to site. thanks for any help you can give.
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Thanks Island Time for this. Sailor of B thought it was straight forward and Sailor of A thought it was not that simple. I think A feels B should have turned up and gone behind him, but B was fixed on passing below A and it just got worse until they hit. Clearly better communication by both boats would have helped here.
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I’ve thought a bit more about this over the week and what if Boat A feels they were on the Broad Reach side of Beam Reach. Does this change things? i.e. should Boat B be lifting and passing behind Boat A? Also when is Boat A required to be the Stand On boat? Is this from a set distance, the tack or some other point?
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They dont start until the Prep signal... Before that it's colregs.
Thank you for this info. Just to check i'm reading this right. Before the P flag goes up for their start they are under Colregs? i.e. it doesn't matter that other boats are in starting sequence.
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Before the pre start? If so, its colregs that apply, not res. Boat A still at fault. He must allow B to keep clear, and intentions must be made clear early.
Yes it was before their fleets start sequence (only by about 1-2 minutes) other fleets were in start sequence. They were in the third start of the days first race. I was also wondering if race rules even applied at that stage.
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Were they 2 boat match racing?
You can't actively "hunt" unless 2 boat match racing.
If they were fleet racing then boat A is in the wrong under Rule 14
If they were match racing "its all on" and boat B would be in the wrong.
Four rules about general limitations: [Part 2, Section B]
- Even if you have right-of-way, it is your duty to avoid a collision, once it becomes apparent that the other boat is not keeping clear (Rule 14).
- If you acquire right of way, you must initially give the other boat room to keep clear, unless you get right of way because of the other boat's actions. (Rule 15)
- A boat that changes course, even if it has the right-of-way, shall do so in a manner that gives the burdened boat a chance to "keep clear" (Rule 16).
- If you catch up with another boat and you want to pass it to leeward, you may not sail above your proper course i.e. you shall not luff higher than you would have done if that boat wasn't there (Rule 17)
yes fleet racing.
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Boat A is at fault. Being on starboard, A is the stand on vessel, and is required to 'stand on', effectively meaning to not change course.
Boat B is required to keep clear, as they are on port. It is apparent B attempted to keep clear by going down. Effectively A hunted him down, negating any efforts by B to keep clear.
Thank you Fish. This is inline with my thinking. Hard to get peoples honest view in club as they don't want to upset either sailor.
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Morning people on forum I’m after some unbiased advice on a sailing incident from the weekend. no one was hurt but a boat has a hole and needs repair. This was in dinghy’s and was before the prestart sequence had started for this fleet.
Both boats started on starboard and where Close Reach to Beam Reach. There was about 8-10 boat lengths separation and the wind was about 5-8knots. Boat A was a little higher than boat B.
Boat B tacked and once completed was pointing just below Boat A, but now on port.
Boat A started moving to a Broad Reach and Boat B also moved to a Broad Reach.
As the boats got closer Boat A beared away as did Boat B. Contact was made and Boat B has a hole at the bow on the port Side.
No communication happened on the boats, even though both skippers could see each other, until it was too late.
What’s everyone’s views?
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I've used rope gizmos instead of bolting/screwing saddles and the likes to the deck. Took around 5-6 ice cream containers of metal fittings off, put about 1 back on.
I've gone as simple as I can on the keyboard which is now just a row of clam cleats. Out to each side in front of the winches is a triple Easy-Loc rope jammer for high load strings like halyards, tackline and those things.
Constrictors are nice but fussy on rope size, fussy on set up and pricey. A standard jammer gives way more flexibility.
Thank you for advise. This is similar to what I've been thinking just unsure if kite halyards should be central as before or if they'd be better on sides with other halyards. Upside of side is better alignment with a winch but central they could reach each winch which may be better as i only run two winches at the moment. Just took off self tacker so unsure how it will all work in practice.
Will your boat be living at Westhaven?
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I have around 4000 photos of the project. Before I post those I'd need Certificates from medical professionals that state you do have no life
MS, modified silicone, is your mate. Not only seals but sticks like x to a blanket so you can, in places after great thought, use that to offset or downsize a few fastenings. Also consider using rope deck fittings rather than metal. Rope Eye is one name for that style but I'm not rich enough for that gear so made my own, which turned outt stronger, lighter and cheaper..... with no metal either. I seems to have developed a disliking to that material now
Ropeye's look great not sure where I would use them. More trying to work out a nice neat keyboard layout. Had a look at a few of the other Ross 930's and there seems little consensus.
what's your view on Constrictor Rope Clutch's? Interesting idea but look messy to me.
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Had a thought then pulled most of my deck gear off and re-jigged it all.
Some got repositioned, most got totally replaced.
Got in just over 8hrs flight time in 2 different aircraft. Nice.
photos or it never happened. also need a few tips on how to put my deck gear back on.
Wanted - Steel Cradle for a Ross930 needing a lot of love
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Thanks Khayyam i'll look into that.
Thanks again Zozza. Have talked with Luke about the haulage and agree that he's a top block and it's a great company. I may well end up renting one from him if i get no joy buying an unused one or finding someone that isn't using theirs and happy to lend it out long term. It's going to probably be for a couple of years. As will only be able to work on it in spare time or which I have very little. I saw an old rusty pile of steel that was called a cradle on Trade Me a while back and thought there may be others out there not being used.