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Great Condition Self Tailing Lewmar Ocean 44 AST winches in excellent working condition. These winches have at least 90% of their life left and is only being replaced to install a larger new winch. I have a matched pair. The Base has a diameter of 170mm Height is 190mm The first three pictures were taken October 22 The Ocean series of Lewmar winches is very robust and superior to the EVO winches (Lewmar EVO range of winches) The Ocean range can all be stripped from the top for servicing without having to unbolt/remove the base. The Ocean 44 winches can also be converted to electric using Lewmars conversion kit 480443001
https://www.lewmar.com/sites/default/files/Ocean%20winch%20page.pdf
The winch is down in Whangarei with the boat. We are up and Kerikeri and with lead time, I can have it in ether location for pick-up. Shipping would need to be quoted New Zealand post or courier after you gave me a ship To address but the winch is heavy and would think picking them up would be best.
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In case it's of any use to someone searching for Imperial 316 Stainless,...
The best source I found was Ausstain https://www.austain.com.au/ Family owned since 1977, they have good contacts and do not source from China (mostly from known sources with a good history in Taiwan) The 1-1/4 x 2" were $27 AUS$ per hundred. I think they supply other suppliers. Friendly and knowledgeable
And Cater's inital price estimate came way down on these for the slot-head style. Cater are great folks.
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Things are progressing at Norsand.
We hauled the boat about two months ago and Melanie and I spent two weeks pulling all the deck and skin fittings, then stripped the mast and boom in another two days. The yard labor took another two weeks doing some fiberglass work and the painters have been at things for 4-5 weeks.
Only issue so far...
We warned the painters that the mast used an Automotive paint system. This paint was still in very good condition and we we are only repainting to get rid of the crazy metallic green color on our spars. They did a wet rag with solvent test on the finish coat,,,, However allot of the automotive color coat was sanded thru exposing the primer and when they sprayed the 2-part Epoxy undercoat/primer.... It softened and lifted the original primer. Norsand now needs to take everything back to bare aluminum by sand blasting and disk sanding. The original paint is no longer adhering because of the reaction to the 2-pack primer. I asked them if they would give us any 'considration' charging us for the failed paint job's labor and materials plus the added labor, and am waiting to hear back on this.
Other than this 'hick-up' (two weeks of labor for one man) . We cant imagine a better kinder or more consientious yard, we are impressed with them.
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https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
Any idea what makes a butyl formulation more suitable to Marine use?
Read this from the manufacturer mentioned above: " After this article was published, we were forced to develop a marine specific butyl based hybrid elastomeric sealant that was specifically formulated and tested for marine use. The product is called Bed-It Tape and can be found in the; Marine How To Web Store. Hamilton Marine and Marine Outfitters in Canada are also distributors of Bed-It Tape. Sales of Bed-It Tape directly fund this site and keep it free. Please understand that despite our use of the word “butyl” Bed-It Tape is not a standard “butyl-tape”. Bed-It Tape is a hybrid product utilizing Compass Marine Inc. own proprietary formulation"
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56 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said:
I also checked RS Components. Not a stocked item. Might be a private import item for you...
Advark, Thanks for doing that;
I just checked in Australia StainlessFastener.com.au ... The first hit on Google with a Pan Head Phillips 1/4" x 2" NC in 316 Stainless (posi is not made anymore according to this Company) $0.58 each (BTW Cater Marine had slotted head at $4.00/each)
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On 23/10/2021 at 4:49 PM, Terry B said:
Also Fortress Fasteners in Rosebank Rd, Avondale (very close to Anzor store).
They have a pretty good website
Nope... Fortress says they can't even source them.
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On 23/10/2021 at 3:55 PM, aardvarkash10 said:
anzor would be the go-to followed by wakefields...
Anzor does not have them, I've also tried CMI Fasteners, SteelMasters, FastTrade, no luck. Starting to think they are not available in NZ.
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We're not familiar with the New Zealand suppliers. And We just heard from Cater Marine in Opua that they could not locate some types of Imperial Machine screws that we need a few hundred of...
(In particular; 316 Stainless Pan Head Posi (Phillips) 1/4" X 2" NC Machine Screws... as well as a few others.)
Do you have suggestions for a fastener company that carries a broad range of Imperial 316 Stainless
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So to follow up on how this all turned out. We have decided to do the paint work here in the first world paint realm of New Zealand. The best contractors in Fiji were painting in tarped or heat shrunk tents that had earthen bottoms held 30-80 cm off the ground which could readily have admitted sand and sanding dust on an afternoon breeze. We also found that only two of the half dozen contractors there were capable of even writing back and then there was only one that followed thru but then never sent the estimate. All in all... not the sort of experience we were seeking for our trimaran. Maybe if we were already there we could have gotten a more responsive experience to our request for an estimate. If we didn't mind the risk of a bit of sand or insects buffed into the paint... that might have helped too. Certainly/likely 1/2 the cost of the job here and if we had a boat that we were not so maniacal about... it would have been a good place for the work. But we wanted a better job than we 'risked' getting.... more like some certainty. Our last paint job is still good after 21 years and the boat is very special to us.... so New Zealand it is!
Thank-you everyone that wrote... you are a great bunch... I followed up on every single lead you sent me and ran it to ground (truly)
We wound up with a quote that was allot more aggressive and affordable for us thanks to all of you!
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13 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said:
was just about to write this. Double glazed (separate sheets into a rebate on inside and outside) during build could acheive the same thing.
and how do you stop condensation between the layers?
After being on that passage from Tonga in 2019 with winds steady 45 gusting 65... I can't even begin to imagine going out on deck with a piece of plywood, it's just nuts. And the idea of only sending some screws thru whatever your skin and foam core might constitute... is an absurd idea on that sort of hull construction.
This story (for me) is a sobering reminder of how vulnerable salon windows have become in modern yacht design. Even our Farrier with a 4 to 8 cm rabbited recess and screws every 24cm seems wholly inadequate.
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I just noticed an article in STUFF (17 minutes ago) about this possibly a report from Maritime New Zealand released today?... Has the Coast Guard released it's final report? Anyone have a link? Thanks
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3 hours ago, Island Time said:
Fusion marine use a trailer and tractor. I had a customers boat out there last year. Good deal, and a couple of multis out up there too. You could try Jorn Douglas, NZ shipwrights, 0276992674 for a price using that yard. Tell him Matt from Neptune's Gear referred you...
Just heard back... Our boat is "too beamy" for Fusion Marine, so they are out
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So Far,, the 3 leads in Fiji have had only one response (good responsive communication with this one) but they are unable to give us a referral on even a single New Zealand Flagged boat that they have done. I'm not necessarily impressed.
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1 hour ago, marinheiro said:
That is Fusion Marine at Manga Rd Silverdale. Use the crane to tow a trailer... I'm contacting them about our beam
I do not know who owns it, but there is also the big shed on the north side of the Weiti River where Jon Douglas built the 2 big Roger Hill cats (Kotuku and Cation)
Anyone know about this shed or Contact info for Jon since he will know the owner.
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59 minutes ago, Adrianp said:
John Hughes could also be a good option as he has a shed on the waterfront in Mahurangi Harbour and is a multihull expert.
https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/boating-nz/20150901/283901636723703
Good article, Do you have a business name or contact information?
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57 minutes ago, Adrianp said:
Hibiscus wrote to say that they can not handle our beam
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13 hours ago, Fish said:
Are you sure? Houses are moved all over the place all the time.
I would not let a house mover touch our boat with a 10 meter pole!
We've had a scissor lift move the boat from the boat ramp at Opua Marina to the boat yard. The experienced fellow (JJ) flexed our hull enough that a scupperway through the integrated water tanks cracked. The entirety of the Starboard water tank leaked out into the bilge. We had to pull things apart and glass it back together. That wasn't that hard to do... but the idea of going down the road is not something I am wiling have done to it after that experience. The movers accept no responsibility any damages; as per the contract they made us sign.
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On 5/07/2021 at 10:07 AM, ex TL systems said:
Depends how fussy you want to be.
Maybe try norsand in whangarei for an estimate.
Trying them now... we do want a high quality job without runs or brush marks. But what is most important is not 'gloss' and car like paint, but longevity is very important. We absolutely need this job to last ten year+ (or current AWL Grip paint went 21 years)
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On 4/07/2021 at 6:33 AM, Frank said:
you seem to be acknowledging the scale of the job in terms of time, planning, materials and skill . So bundling all that up 45K seems remarkable value for money, just be careful you don't go too cheap its an investment for the next decade.
not really... it's all the exposure to solvents, primers, constant sanding on my compromised overhead reach, that I'm not interested in repeating. I've done this work before alone on a 37 foot mono-hull and also a 21 footer. The 21' boat was way more work because of the gelcoat failure. Our hull is in good and fair enough shape that I don't think the time commitment is in the 47K range.
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5 minutes ago, syohana said:
We had our yacht repainted at Vuda point, total cowboys, made an almighty mess which all had to be stripped off before starting again somewhere else. It was two months of horrible work with a sander to get it all off. These were supposedly Vuda point's "recommended contractors" so I made the mistake of trusting them to get on with it while I was away for a few days. Ended up with paint on decks, fittings, windows and even some of the places that were supposed to be painted (but just one very thick coat without any of the necessary sanding or primers first!). The job was contracted to be sprayed but most of it was slapped on with big brush marks in it.
Marina manager wasn't much help, he said that company would be banned from working at the marina again but also said they'd probably come back under another name. At the time they were called "Peter's works". I had read really good reviews of a boat painter called Peter at Vuda but apparently my big mistake was that there are two guys called Peter and I had chosen the wrong one .... Since he was a recommended contractor of the marina and I got his card from them, I thought I was safe.
In Fiji there's no chance of getting a refund or getting anything put right of course. At least I had only paid half up front.
The moral of the story is don't risk it, paint can go so badly wrong in so many ways that you need to go to a professional in NZ, I learnt that the hard way.
Thanks for sharing... this is why I am trying to do our due diligence here and locate an individual painter reference by accurate name and ID. I am very hopeful that locating a current good reference in Fiji is possible, or certainly worth trying to do.
Everyone here has been very helpful, but we haven't got 'that name' yet.
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Just now, 2flit said:
actually the beams would add another 1/3.... so 2X the area of a low freeboard mono-hull
...and I repainted the non-skid in 2017 with 2-part AlexSeal poly so all the non-skid is not quoted...
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15 minutes ago, 2flit said:
Not really, we are very low freeboard, the amas are more like painting a 10 meter canoe than a 10 meter monohull. They also taper to virtually nothing at the transom I would estimate 1/3 the surface area? So 1/3 +1/3 + 1 = 1-2/3 a normal 40' mono with very low freeboard. Catamaran tower above us when they pull alongside!
actually the beams would add another 1/3.... so 2X the area of a low freeboard mono-hull
For Sale: Lewmar Ocean 44 Winches (self tailing AST)
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$2,400 for the pair
New Cost is over $4,000 for the Ocean Series winches.