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This would be a low cost (to maintain) multihull. The fact you can beach her and she has outboards will save significantly on haulouts. Less than 20 years old (albeit old design but pretty bullet proof). You will enjoy the additional room for live aboard and a stable platform, while being able to work in an airy / light saloon.
Not sure what the live aboard restrictions are on a mooring, but this one will dry out twice a day pretty much allowing you to walk on/off if you needed.
Good luck with your adventures!
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We had MEC apply coppercoat in Auckland in 2012. I contracted them to do the whole lot (remove old antifoul, prep and apply new coppercoat) so that there was one bum to kick. They did a great job and it is still going strong.
Mitch has always been reasonable to deal with - what is his current position? Surely he will come to the party and rectify. That application looks like a real mess. NZ marine industry is too small to get a bad reputation.
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OK. Still keen to see any pics you can post or send when convenient.
I like the look of these - relatively simple and clean - but not sure if they would lift the dinghy high enough? I want to raise it high enough that I can still use the transom steps by walking under the dinghy - maybe these are too low?
I've sent you a PM with photos.
I can't picture the transom of your boat so can't comment, but they can be raised by tweaking the base you will need to make up.
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We imported a set of these. Not cheap but great looking davits. Had to get some bases made up for them to sit on.
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We are back in NZ for a few weeks over Xmas and New Year.
Missing our annual trip out to the Mercs, so have hired a place up at Matarangi (Coromandel) for 9 days. Am looking for a small fun sailing toy we can use with the kids. Think Hobie / Weta etc that we can tow up with us.
Anyone have one (or have any ideas) of one we can use in return for payment.
Open to suggestions......
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Waeco make a wet and dry with a reasonable size holding tank. We used to have one and vacuumed the boat and cleaned out the bilge just fine.
They were about $150 from memory
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We put a Rainman desal on our boat. Really simple set up and great service. Came in much cheaper than other watermakers, with many parts that are universal rather than OEM only.
Removable from the boat if you want to use it elsewhere or when we are racing.
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We are looking to get the cabin top of our cat wrapped. The boat builder we have used to repaint the topsides has suggested we give the idea a miss as his experience is that the wrap fairly quickly deteriorates and cracks (in the Queensland sun). I appreciate there are different quality wraps on the market.
It would work for us as to repaint the cabin top (paint in good condition but want to do something before I don't have any options left other than to repaint) as to repaint involves a fairly significant tenting or removal of the rig / shed hire. Also will allow us to go for a slightly different graphic look for the boat.
Thoughts on wrapping generally / quality of wrapping products welcome.
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We put Coppercoat onto our Cat during July 2012. The coating is still going strong.
For racing we would want to give it a wipe every 2/4 weeks. However for cruising we can get away with a wipe every 2/3 months. We left it nearly 6 months at one point and it took a bit of effort to wipe off, but according to the diver that did it at the time it was much easier that he thought it was going to be.
So we are at least one full antifoul ahead now, so are now past the break even point.
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We want to support the club so hopefully they will be able to confirm when opening times and whether they will have hot food when open.
We were there on Monday late afternoon and they were closed - they had a big weekend by all accounts and it is now manned by volunteers, so no dramas with that. However it will be important I think to have some regular opening hours as if there is doubt whether it is open, people may not make the effort to head in to support.
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Well done on your (almost) first purchase.
Like all boat things there are pros and cons.
Things to consider:
- durability (pulling it up on the sand vs up a ramp with oysters or up on the rocks) impacts whether GRP, ply, soft bottom vs hardbottom inflatable, PVC vs hyperlon
- Rowing ability (the flat bottom inflatables generally row poorly)
- Towing ability
- Storage on board / in the car / in the garage at home
- How dry it is
- How stable it is
- How many crew you normally have
- Will in mark your yacht (or worse your neighbours) if left bumping along side
I like the inflatable option as size for size they do most of the above except row well (better if you get one with an inflatable keel) and they are the most popular choice for good reason.
Can't go too far past a good Southern Pacific or Aquapro (not the chinese ones though). I'd look for a 2-3 year old one on TM.
One trick on a smaller keeler if you dont want the boat on the foredeck or to tow it is to strap a piece of timber or aluminium (oars, bamboo poles, aluminium / stainless tube) to the horizontal bars on your pushpit and have them cantilever aft out the back of the boat say 1m. You can then lift a light soft bottom inflatable up and sit and strap it on the poles) - cheap removable davits!
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The power of Crew.OrgThanks Rental - will do
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Thanks heaps for the offer. Brilliant 8 boys and 2 hookers. Two many lines, but I'm sure as hell not going down last!
Will drop past your place of Marine Bondage next week as I have a few rope issues that need sorting.
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I am planning a boys trip away late Jan / early Feb next year for a couple of weeks and am in need of a Dive compressor.
Any ideas where I can get one. Happy to hire, borrow, steal, trade for rum or crayfish?
Alternatively one of those Hookah type systems would be great.....
Thanks
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riverjim, you do raise a good issue, however the feedback from most seems to be:
- don't buy a shitter, you get what you pay for. So to say you don't care what has been spent on the boat recently doesn't add up. If the vendor didn't spend it the new owner will. Likely the vendor will only get say 30-50c in the $ on the improvements. So you will nearly always be better off spending a few more $$ to buy better.
- you cant really bitch about prices generally. They are what they are ignoring the outlying dreamers. Its like saying prices of 10 year old fords need to drop because you don't want to pay that price - they wont unless the demand drops or there is excess supply. Market is what it is and only economic forces and impacting on supply and demand will change that.
- accepting the market is where it is and just getting on with it will get you out sailing- otherwise you just become another dreaming landlubber watching life go by.
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As I said, guys that have their boat on the market for years clearly don't want to meet the market. There always will be dreamers (both sellers and buyers). And yes it is a buyers market. Some prices are ridiculous and they wont sell.
My point was that quality boats that are priced appropriately will sell. I took it you were trying to say the second hand market is overpriced. If that were the case none would sell. The market point is where it is (where ever THAT maybe) and complaining generally that the whole market needs to move down is a little fruitless.
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Sounds like you might be better looking new then............
There will always be a market, which will adjust up and down on a macro perspective depending underlying financial conditions / exchange rates etc.
I don't see the worldwide prices of yachts having much influence on
A new 34' yacht is going to cost $200k++ so there will always be a market for second hand boats relative to that market. Farr 1020 at $80-$100k, Stewart 34 at $40-$60k and heading down.
Sure guys that have their boat on the market for years clearly don't want to meet the market.
But while ever boats sell, there is a market. Buyers that don't want to pay the market can enjoy sailing with others or watching from the breakwater.
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For me the key to a second hand cheaper (
So you might see an Elliott 7.9 (as mentioned above) for $20k but you get what you pay for. I know when I purchased my E7.9 as a project and then spent 2 years completely rebuilding her at significant time and $$, there is no way I would want to go back to owning a shitter. Thats why you might see an Elliott 7.9 for $20k and one for $50k+. By the time youve spent $15k on a new motor, $10k on paint, $10k on sails, $5k on electrics ++++ it adds up.
So my tip is to buy the boat in the best condition that you can afford.
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Good job. I know that feeling only too well!
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Probably prenty of Gemini owners (and the designer) that would disagree squid. Quite a few used as live aboards and plenty have crossed the pacific and atlantic. Agreed they are more a hunter type (and are now actually built by hunter!) but they seem to have proven themselves quite well. You get what you pay for.
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The Gemini 105Mc (10.5M length) is a pretty smart looking cat with standing room in the saloon at a reasonable price - over 1,000 built. Fits into a standard 12M slip. Have gone around the world.
Buy in in the US using the strong NZD and sail her downwind home.
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A new (zealand) copper antifoul system...
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For what its worth we applied CC in NZ through MEC on our sailing cat in 2012 and it worked well for about 7 years. Had one decent sand back in 2017. It was end of life by early 2020 and for about 12 months it required very regular scrubbing to keep clean-ish. We replaced with CC here in Oz in 2021 and seems to be doing well 18 months later. For us it has paid dividends. But it MUST be applied properly.