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Does that mean you need BOTH? DO AIS systems have anchor and hazard way point alarms. Computers are more delicate and non water proof compared to chart plotters I would have thought and from my experience with both. Are you intending going to the Straits of Hormuz?
Im not sure about hazards on AIS. One nice factor is if you are doing a voyage with a few boats you can see where everybody is etc. Floating hazards are the big unavoidable, I saw one guy doing single handed to Hawaii on his awake shift during the day (he would get up every hour at night), go passed a half sunken fishing junk boat, which would cause major issues had he hit it which would be very easy at night even awake. Who knows what the future holds for the system and radar though.
The other thing is you can get tough tablets, the ex uses one for marine biology. Thanks LadyHawk I was thinking Navionics clearly not Navman hahaha. Getting old. Wifi system is very cool. If that sets your phone off you are going to hear it.
I think its going to depend on what I buy and what it already has or hasnt got.
Once I get to my Catamaran I will be making sure it fully updated with electronics.
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Ive been thinking about if I get a an 80s hull if it doesnt have a new nav system, chart plotter etc, I really want all the gear, including alarms, not that AIS/EIS replaces eyes, it sure beats being hit by a tanker.
Would you just put an antenna in and run off a laptop including navman software etc?One thing about Monohulls vs the nice helms on Cats is the electronics for nav are a lot further away. Are you going to hear an alarm in the cockpit when the nav gear is down below?
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I think for now Im just going to get a monohull for weekend and holidays, something like pacific 38. A pilothouse rig would be nice. Lotus 10.6. Im struggling to think of others that fall in the speedy cruiser category.
Get its surveyed well and my biggest fear, have the Rudder serviced to make sure she aint coming off.
You can get some nice boats that have been recently fully refitted, new sails, engine, sheets etc for $60-70k. I can handle being on heel for day sails between places. -
Im just dreaming of making Cruising full time happen sooner rather than later. At this rate I will be 56 before I have $1m invested and a $250k Cat.
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Monohulls really do slice through the water nicer, but being on 20deg for 5 days straight becomes a real PITA.
Conversely Catamarans whilst barely heel, SLAP like the 2 hulls are going to split in any decent ocean (basically any bluewater sailing)
A canter keel on a performance cruiser monohull now thats the dream. I bet it happens.Any thoughts on Multihull slap under sail?
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Ive been thinking about what kind of industries can work while on the ocean cruising.
I work in IT, but Im quite high up and my technical skills are quite low now, so I would need retraining to do web development etc, but its an option.
Accounting, a whole new degree and test to be a CPAIs there any reality to working while cruising?
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Or Catana 41? Thats the smallest cheapest Catana with Daggers?
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I'm not super familiar with the Bahia 46 but fountain pajots aren't really known for their amazing performance. Just had a look at a Bahia 46 on trademe and it looks to have no boards and a massive heavy looking interior. Doesn't scream performance.
Yes they are big, but they did show up in this top 40 performance. https://www.cruisingworld.com/sailboats/40-best-catamarans-and-trimarans-ever/
But I agree. What I really need is something around 35ft, dagger boards, costs sub $400k and is nice and light. Where the seawind 1000xl2 doesnt have boards, it has shed 500kg, that may be enough to entice many at $329k start price.
A used Outremer 40 might be the sensible choice for me.
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how about this Trimaran, bought for the berth in Tauranga and it is being almost given away?? https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/multihull/auction-2189850800.htm?rsqid=292c282d406d49d2a9f796e02104012f-003
i get wary of self builds, but I have to admit that price for the size of that Tri is affordable NOW. Would a boat surveyor show up if this is structurally sound enough for bluewater cruising?
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I forgot to say another Tri that has caught my attention is the Dragonfly 32. Fascinating how the pontoons fold in and moor in the same space as a monohull.
I have noticed with a lot of newer tris they dont lose as much money from new, for some reason. Clearly they are more sailing Oirented than cruising.
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So we know we are going monohull again due to the Mrs being massively inflicted by SeaSickness or motion sickness to be realiastic, but she is fine on multi hulls.
Anyway, I thought Id like to try out a Trimamarn. I know the 760 is a trailer sailer weekend cruiser. But is it caable of things like making it out to Great Barrier Island etc?
Clearly they are quick, but if you hit bit swell you have to chop it down or imo those pointoons are going to nose dive?
It worries me a bit.
We did consider a Tiki etc, but would rather go with newer boats until I have the money for my ultimate which will be the ultra quick Sea wind 1000xl2. I will carry a water maker but I plan to have minimal fuel and minimal water, the lighter the boat the quicker the voyage, the quicker the voyage the safer the voyage, something people dont seem to grasp when buying apartments on water.
I COULD probably buy the Seawind now, but something is drawing me to give a Corsair Tri a go. Mistake? -
I was asked for this in another thread. Flame away.
First this is about cruising, racing is a whole nuther story. And since the majority of long distance cruisers are either couples or short handed that’s what I’ll focus on.
I didnt find anything trollers should use to flame you. Well written. A flexible calender saves lives. I see this in simple passages even in power boats at Xmas from Te Kouma Harbour to Gulf Harbour. Ive known plenty of idiots who have risked their families lives in 50+ and gusting in boats way to small for this kind of work, when the Coast Guards Naiad is struggling, you know GRP power boats should be thinking about cancelling other plans. Rent a car and drive back and come back for the boat another day. Its only a small passage but that area between Colville and Waiheke can really rip up snot. The same with GBI. If going to GBI imo always have a flexible calender. Its that simple.
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I think I will stick to the 35ft Mono until I can afford a Fountaine Pajot Bahia 46 which is a performance cruiser. I was going for a seawind 1160, but a used Bahia is not much more and faster. Or possibly an Outremer 45. Something of that style, performance with the comforts there. I wont be able to afford new, but a 10 year old is only $400-500k
Just soooooo many options in the $300-500k bracket, from 40-59ft peformance cats, some that hold wind speed records like 29 knots. Others that will do near wind speed down and still 75% up. The performance cats cut down passage time dramatically vs big heavy Cats that look nice, but even the performance cats have nice saloons, quarters, real showers, water makers, 2000w inverters provide plenty of movie nights on large screen TVs.
It all just excites me to keep working earning good money. If I retire mid 50s in 10 years, own a solid well refitted 45-50ft Cat and have investments plus my aussie super which kiwis can access at 55yo, I have hopefully a good 20 years of living on the ocean mainly.
Making dreams come true just takes a good team and a plan monetary.
I really dont feel it fair to claim the pension if I have $2k per week coming in from investments etc. I think it should be Assett tested to solve this stupid over priced NZ housing market and put Auckland prices back down a few hundred K where they should be. Yes I voted for Gareth Morgan and I agree with the Cats problem, the Mrs think its a no brainer as her double Dr's are in biology and she sees the effect feral cats and even house cats have on our Fauna.
In saying that I want a Cat and a dog, both desexed and chipped on the boat. Teach my Dog to take my speared fish back to the Esky/Chiller lol.
Thats a whole another conversation. What Dogs are the most suitable for a boat? Id like a short haired dog. I like staffies but if they are hyper like my last one that chewed through a live fridge cable they are a liability. I like French BD's but the Mrs doesnt. Foxies are usually too hyper. Some kind of Terrier anyway.
This is a lot of 56ft cat for $400k asking https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/multihull/auction-2244026602.htm?rsqid=919ce765fcce4ff08bcefad92e188fca-015But I think I will stick with Outremer, Seawind, Leopard and Catana 45ft. They all do mono hull speeds but other brands do those speeds with a lot of slap and uncomfortable ride.
Really starting to see what is good hull design along with lightweight dagger board hullls, that dont slap through waves but are shaped for minimal slap.
Ive decided to put the 13ft centre console RIB on davets at the back. I can still fish on either side. A dream would be to go to Qld outside the GB reef and troll for black marlin, in a sail boat. Another dream. They get HUGE. Catch and release for me. Mahi-mahi and YFT are plentiful and very tasty. Will take a bradley smoker alongside the BBQ.
The real catch will be in purchasing and making sure I get a good surveyor to pick out what needs work and throw offers based on this. Not buying into somebody elses mess at this kind of money. -
Any thoughts on this proper Cat? Its had a heck of a refit 2 years ago, only $85k
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/multihull/auction-2237178238.htm?rsqid=87b29d69e9414bec9ab3d4a71e2f1cc1-007 -
Scratch that, boat is in the US, cant afford a new one, they are not cheap.
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Scratch that, boat is in the US, cant afford a new one, they are not cheap.
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Thanks all for the tips and stories, all those dolphin fish and beakies are just waiting.
Im not 100% sure on the trailer 880, but the benefit is I can drive it wherever I like and launch. Being a tri they are nice and safe and stable. Not something id want in a 4 metre swell and 30 knots, but watching the weather and sticking to NZ islands we should be ok for weekenders.
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For sure letting a fish try to move tonnes of boat does the work for ya, just need to be careful not to pull the hook if going too fast, what you say about the head sail etc is spot on imo. let it tire, then get the engine on and haul the tired fish in, hopefully before a big mako gets her.
Im now looking at a trailer weekend sailer, corsair 880. plenty of room for the weekend and big enough to sail the hauraki and possibly up north. just and idea at this stage. it gives the Mrs the multi hull she needs as she will puke on any mono hull. its a bit of a lightweight option, but $50k and they are a lot of fun.
I can see them being tri rigged for Marlin etc quite nicely.
I use big shimanos with heavy IGFA Dacron. Definitely not going to be a line snapping fault. Maybe trail 2 teasers out as well. Coming up to Albacore season they are caught in the boat load.
If I get the trailer tri, I will have a small galley and chiller, but I will also have a massive ice box with salt ice for the weekend. Never a slaughter but i take back what I will consume over the period in between getting out or not. A nice big Blue Beakie out toward GBI would be nice, smoked, feed a lot of friends as well as family. Yum, due for a dose of Mercury
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Yeah Ive done it in a farr sub 30ft myself, its the mrs, she throws up on monohulls but seems to have no issues on cats and tris, I have no idea why as I dont understand and have never had sea sickness.
OK call me daft, but to get her out on the water for weekends, Im considering a trailberable Corsair 880. They have plenty of cabin room, including small galley and chiller. You can run heating etc. All the electrics you want. It seems the perfect weekend multihull hauraki gulf cruiser.
I dont see why there would be issue sailing it hop and skip over to GBI? Of courser given its under 30feet and a trailer Trimaran Im not taking it out in 40 knots + etc.
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Look at the Entry on this old girls hulls, wave breakers. Early performance cat, asking $180k. Will be interesting to find out how much is needing to get her ready for long passages.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/multihull/auction-2012173984.htm?rsqid=f3f2f36863e545248d4bfdbf5a6d8250-007 -
Not my cup of tea but seem to do the job - very much function over form.
At least 2 on trademe, also A few Tri’s
Im with you Tazzy. I did look, and it didnt take me long to go, nope. Just not for me. Each to their own.
Money wont be the issue when it comes time to buy the end game. Im looking at some of the new performance cats, they still look like gorgeous apartments, but with rotating masts etc, some of them do 23knts in 18knts wind. Crazy fast. But you pay for that. I will be happy with something like a Grainger or a SeaWind. Still a lot faster than a big heavy Lagoon etc. Leopards also have put out some good stock.
Its just a case of when Im ready to buy, seeing as many options in performance cats as I can. most used around 40ft go for around $300k, so it will be interesting to see what this new ultra fast generation sells for in 10 years time. If its $500k, I will be happy with that.
Lets face it, as long as you have investment on Land ie you house/s rented out, $500k is not a lot for a quality ultra fast comfort machine.
And mid to late 50s is not too old to do it, the mrs is 8 years younger, she has 2 doctorates so will be able to keep workin remotely, while I, umm, well I become lazy and draw out of my Aussie super at 55 ;-p. I figure once we have done our round the world sailing, I would like to work in the Marina, Tuts or Whangarei, doing something. 20 hours a week, just to fill the time, but maybe I can fill that time chasing beakies in my Cat short handed
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Can be done
Lovely beakies of varying variety there Jon mate. Where did you get the marlin?
And how useful was that marlin/swim board in landing the fish?
I would like to get into the deep blue with a gun once Ive teased a few up to the surface. Ive seen videos of guys spearing big Blues and getting towed, eventually needing 3 spears in it to slow it down and get it aboard a small spear boat.
Thats where a 3rd person aboard would be helpful or the Mrs, to keep the yacht close by or the tender while we get a couple of spears in, before Mr Mako comes along to steal my catch, my gun and all my rig lol.
On the Spearfishing tender front. I thought an option could be a 100% inflatable hypalon like the bombarider or high end zodiac 14ft'rs simply inflate via compressor when the boat is required. However if it fits somewhere on the cat, so be it, Id like still go for a rib, simply for cutting through the water, as good as modern day SIB keel tubes are, nothing beats a hard keel.
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If you want value for money, and a pilot house with internal station, this one is very attractive:
Only issue being they are asking $500k, which is well beyond my means, and its got in mast furling, which I can't stand. In reality this is just me browsing boats for sale and day dreaming. But it looks like a lot of quality boat for the asking price. I'm curious to know what state the engine / mechanicals are in, and if it needs much work before a lap of the planet.
But it is gorgeous. I like the wood finish, I dont know the technical name, I presume its laminate? But looks a class act.
Part of buying a monohull now is actually getting the Mrs use to long voyages on a monohull, something she doesnt enjoy.
Another thing Im starting to realise is SeaWind are not the only performance Cats out there. I notice a gorgeous Grainger high performance Cat with Dagger Boards, its 18 years old but looks clean, for $330k asking. Of course I would never pay asking. So potentially I could see myself in a boat that she enjoys as a house on water and I enjoy as a sailing and fishing vessel that gets us to unbelievable dive locations. We both free dive for spearing and bubble blow for visiting reefs etc. So a compressor and spear tanks are going to be obvious fit outs.
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What you are talking about here is a Pilot House. Typically they are on fully spec'ed offshore cruisers, and generally in the 55 ft plus bracket, although there are smaller models.
I was going to say you'd be lucky to find one for less than $200k (that doesn't need a lot of work) but there is this pilot house ketch for $130K
The catch with this one is its a 37 yr old steel vessel. It might blow the 'needs work done' part out of the water.
It does seem old but a lot of boat for the money for the right person.
The sloop Pilot houses I was looking at were minimum $70k. The Mrs would like the concept of it, I just dont know how practical night watch would be and how reliable the internal steering structure is compared to the stern wheels?
But it does mean a lot of indoor area and the possibility of not getting drenched when on night watch, which is something she is coming to terms with.
I think $600k is getting close to our end requirement, at this stage its $400k because I have my heart set on a near new seawind 1160.
I have see another cat that some how stores his rather large rib, with engine on his Cats bow, it uses some kind of crane/winch system.
For us the secondary boat is probably more important than a lot of people who just use it as a tender. For us its more a case of being our dive vessel. So whilst I can handle a small ally 3.1m for now on a 35ft mono, on a 40ft Cat, I am going to want something more substantial, I will explore those options over time.
I really miss the taste of MahiMahi. Even getting to the 3 kings opens up my chances of trolling the beautiful dolphin fish.
In 5 years time I will be asking other questions more around financials like how do you calculate your investment needs to fund your sailing fees/parts/technology etc etc. We are trying to get $2m invested at a low risk of 5% so not make a lot over inflation, but hopefully enough, and $400k for the boat.
Work from the Ocean? What Jobs?
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Nah, nobody writes on the net with accuracy, I type all day at work so when i get home i dont even capitlise stuff or worry about spelling. Go easy on him
Although I think there is a lot proof reading software now.
I have done technical writing, software manuals etc, that could be an option for you. Just need to know the industry style guides etc kind of like English is a language and had grammar, IT has certain words, sentences and gramar it uses.
Its pretty boring though. But so is web development. I wish I had become something like a vet, where I didnt have to work in big cities. Ironically when I did my BCom they didnt have computer science, so I started in accounting, I hated it soooo much. Wish I had stuck with it now, a job you can do from anywhere and get reasonable money.